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    It'd be hopes of rehabilitation that'd be a waste of money not protecting the public by locking this chronic asshole up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    It'd be hopes of rehabilitation that'd be a waste of money not protecting the public by locking this chronic asshole up.
    That's still a waste of money. I don't know about his state of Arizona, but it costs around 50k a year for a prisoner in Cali (right next door, and similar economy). Multiply that by 100.

    edit: Oh wait, he's in Cali actually..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    That's still a waste of money. I don't know about his state of Arizona, but it costs around 50k a year for a prisoner in Cali (right next door, and similar economy). Multiply that by 100.

    edit: Oh wait, he's in Cali actually..
    I dont think protecting the public is a waste of money, or that punishment isnt worthwhile, when legitimate authorities lose sight of that, because of money or ideology, the fascists win public support as the only remaining law and order party

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I dont think protecting the public is a waste of money, or that punishment isnt worthwhile, when legitimate authorities lose sight of that, because of money or ideology, the fascists win public support as the only remaining law and order party
    Protecting the public for life? For a crime that doesn't even physically touch, let alone kill anyone?

    There should be punishment, but seriously, man..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Protecting the public for life? For a crime that doesn't even physically touch, let alone kill anyone?

    There should be punishment, but seriously, man..
    Yes, protecting the public.

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    It's the states' own faults for making prisoners cost so much. Regardless of the cost of a prisoner, if someone deserves to go to jail, they ought to go. The cost is irrelevant. Arizona (regardless of that one guy being a total ass) does have a lot of good points when it comes to prisoners and their care.. They can be cared for, and make something of themselves, without costing a fortune.

    Anyways, on to point. If the 105 year sentence is from a ton of smaller sentences adding up, then absolutely he should serve every single one he is convicted for. There are gray lines there.. but the fact that he lied and posed as friends, and absolutely the fact that he blackmailed them after that serves up the punishment. There is nothing excessive here except the fact that he went after over 300 women. Jeezus Christ, you couldn't just look at free porn on the internet??

    If it was 105 years for 1-2 women, it'd be excessive. 300+ women are seeking justice though. It's a lot of small counts that add up really fast. And Blackmail isn't a 1 day jail offense either..
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Protecting the public for life? For a crime that doesn't even physically touch, let alone kill anyone?

    There should be punishment, but seriously, man..
    This is a time and era where people's facebooks are getting them denied jobs. People's reputations are worth a lot more. I'd rather be beaten than my reputation thrown in the toilet any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yes, protecting the public.
    Not that he would live this long, but... 105 yrs x $47k (avg prisoner cost in cali)= $4,935,000 in expenses.

    That's not protecting the public.

    There's no point to incarceration without a plan of rehabilitation (and integration back into society). If you don't accept that, save time and money and be like Iran then. Go balls out if you're supposedly so tough on crime. Have public amputations and hangings. What you're suggesting is just pointless, smug posturing at everyone else's expense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Not that he would live this long, but... 105 yrs x $47k (avg prisoner cost in cali)= $4,935,000 in expenses.

    That's not protecting the public.

    There's no point to incarceration without a plan of rehabilitation (and integration back into society). If you don't accept that, save time and money and be like Iran then. Go balls out if you're supposedly so tough on crime. Have public amputations and hangings. What you're suggesting is just pointless, smug posturing at everyone else's expense.
    I dont agree.

    I dont minimise offences like this, I dont believe that offenders of this kind can be rehabilitated and it is a waste of time to try, for each day that an individual like this is incarcerated without access to any of the paraphrenalia of offending, ie computer connection, internet, pictures or contact, they will suffer and this will constitute punishment, worse punishment than any of the things you have suggested. In the UK there is no death penalty and yet incarceration, for many of the worst offenders of recent years has been something which has proven so difficult that one of them choose to take their own life while another tried unsuccessfully twice.

    As for protecting the public, yes, for each day they are incarcerated they will not be doing the harm they would otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I dont agree.

    I dont minimise offences like this, I dont believe that offenders of this kind can be rehabilitated and it is a waste of time to try
    You didn't have to write any more than this. Time to start getting medieval then. I'm not being facetious either. It might actually be effective.

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