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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Our desires at the primal level are the same as that of monkeys - food, sex, power, and such.
    And also we are meaning creating animals.

    And the meaning of the West is freedom and equality, but still our desire for inequality remains.

    This is understandable as we have lived with institutional slavery right up to 1833.

    Why, even Jesus said not a word against institutional slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Our desires at the primal level are the same as that of monkeys - food, sex, power, and such.
    That's the reptillian nature. Primates made a few upgrades, but rarely use them. But they're there, if they wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    I am a woman, I know what turns women on. I was asking about men because I wanted to know. I don't recall this being discussed.
    I suspect* it varies about as much as women do; presumably you know what turn women on in a general, perhaps stereotypical, sense. There is no particular pattern that is not a generality. Take, for example, the largest generality: men turn women on. It's probably easier to generalize what they are attracted to, but the two are not identical. This is a particular pathology that both sexes can have.

    * By suspect, I mean that I don't know know how to quantify the variance from each person's judgment. Men are more consistent in their sexual arousal, but if you use each sex as a separate baseline then it's still pretty broad. The general two conditions are physical attractiveness and context, however, in the immediate sense. It's just that these change and interplay with each other; porn that is not-porn is uncomfortable, the attractiveness of males seems to adjust to the woman's current hormonal balance, reactions to stress are different, mating queues are different (right down to smell and voice)... stuff like that.

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    I as an ancient wizard from the past turn robots from the future on with epic magic lightning powers and a rich legacy to study for the eons to come!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    I as an ancient wizard from the past turn robots from the future on with epic magic lightning powers and a rich legacy to study for the eons to come!
    I knew it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    How many times do men pretend to be women online in order to sexually humiliate other dudes? Do they get prosecuted?

    Can you begin to imagine the immensity of the task of prosecuting everyone who misrepresents themselves in order to get what they want? I mean. You'd run out of lawyers in no time - they'd all be in jail.
    Let's not pretend that's what this is about.
    Since it's easy to assume they're lying, they should get away with it? I mean, it's kind of difficult to prove these things due to the anonymity of the internet, but if you do in fact know that a person did such a thing, the idea that they should get away with it because "everybody does it" is ridiculous, immoral and unjust. Like I already said, it would be one thing if they had given consent, and he had not basically committed fraud to obtain that consent. But that's not how things happened. It's not like he simply made a mistake; he knowingly took advantage of people. If he is in fact sorry and is willing to change his attitudes and behaviors, then the victims should be willing to forgive him; but the government isn't in the business of mercy, and can't really be. Judges are operating on too limited of knowledge regarding a person's intents to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Incidentally, 10 bucks on INTJ.
    He does look a bit like @Zarathustra...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Pics or didn't happen.

    This ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    You might argue whether or not you thought it was a good idea to give him the original pictures to begin with, but that doesn't make his actions any less coercive.

    As an aside, in that case, if the girl looked back and felt like she shouldn't have sent those pictures to begin with, I don't feel like she has recourse for something she voluntarily consented to, though in practice she may request he delete the pictures - something I feel, if asked, is a good thing to do, however I don't think there is an obligation. In addition, if he decided to go posting those pictures up online, I think that's a sleazy move, but since they were sent to him, I'd tend to think they are now technically his at least as much as hers so he can do with them what he wants. Still, a really sleazy thing to do without consent.

    However, the clear line of demarcation is using personal information to coerce someone into doing something against their will. That is the clear violation.
    The complication in my mind is whether he obtained the photos first, through hacking or other intrusive means, or whether they were voluntarily given to him. The article makes it sound like it was a bit of both. In the cases where they were obtained through intrusive means, then yes, he should be charged. If they were freely given to him first, even through usage of deceit, it becomes a muddier issue. Clearly he is engaging in intrusion and harassment. At the same time, if the pictures were freely given, it's not really fair to hold that against him. People lie on the internet all the time, and lying in and of itself is not punishable by law. Like Salomé said, it wasn't even true identity theft; it was brief impersonation. Most of us have impersonated someone during the course of our lives to get something minor we wanted. And, having been to college and having been friends with a few girls who are quite liberal in displaying their bodies on the internet, I have a hard time taking these charges quite so seriously. The extent to which the information was willingly given to him has an impact on lowering the gravity of the theft.

    As was voiced in the OP, there's no question that what he did was wrong and deserves punishment, but the nature of the exploitation doesn't seem proportionate to a more-than-life sentence in prison. The blackmail / sexual harassment cases are the most bothersome to me, and that plus hacking is what I would charge him for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark
    He sounds like a chronic offender with little or absolutely no hope of reform or rehabilitation.
    Because he lied to people to get titty pictures and then used what he had to get more? He sounds like a nerdy con artist who likes the rush of acquisition and likes boobies. If he had more game he'd probably be a sleazy PUA. I don't like cases where we end up emptying our pockets to fund someone's life in prison because we want to "stick it to him". It's counterproductive for everyone. Give him some prison and intensive therapy, not a life sentence. What a waste of everyone's time and money.

    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy
    I mean, it's kind of difficult to prove these things due to the anonymity of the internet, but if you do in fact know that a person did such a thing, the idea that they should get away with it because "everybody does it" is ridiculous, immoral and unjust.
    Hi, you!

    I think that's kind of true and not true at the same time. The internet isn't really a neatly-legalized zone, to begin with. It's kind of the equivalent of the open sea in terms of jurisdiction. If someone catches you doing something wrong and can present their case well, you've got potential to be brought to justice, but there are a whole lot of people out there doing the same thing. While I agree with what you're saying in theory, I'm not so sure if it's such a useful idea in practicality. Do the police who pull the one person over in the pack going 90 really have a major, lasting effect on lowering the average speeds of the rest of the cars? Certainly they're slower than without police presence, but cameras who catch everyone are more influential technology.

    I think part of what @Salomé is trying to get across in this case is educating people to the risk of putting pictures of one's naked body on the internet would be more effective to prevent cases like this than slamming this particular offender with heavy charges to serve as an "example" for everyone.

    I suppose it also really depends on what you think the point of the justice system is. If it's to ensure karma gets put into play, then maybe a 105 year sentence in this case is good enough. If it's about trying to create a better society for everyone, then education and rehabilitation are resources better used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Hi, you!

    I think that's kind of true and not true at the same time. The internet isn't really a neatly-legalized zone, to begin with. It's kind of the equivalent of the open sea in terms of jurisdiction. If someone catches you doing something wrong and can present their case well, you've got potential to be brought to justice, but there are a whole lot of people out there doing the same thing. While I agree with what you're saying in theory, I'm not so sure if it's such a useful idea in practicality. Do the police who pull the one person over in the pack going 90 really have a major, lasting effect on lowering the average speeds of the rest of the cars? Certainly they're slower than without police presence, but cameras who catch everyone are more influential technology.

    I think part of what @Salomé is trying to get across in this case is educating people to the risk of putting pictures of one's naked body on the internet would be more effective to prevent cases like this than slamming this particular offender with heavy charges to serve as an "example" for everyone.

    I suppose it also really depends on what you think the point of the justice system is. If it's to ensure karma gets put into play, then maybe a 105 year sentence in this case is good enough. If it's about trying to create a better society for everyone, then education and rehabilitation are resources better used.
    How are you doing?

    I agree that rehabilitation is better. I guess, the more I think about it, I agree the sentence might be a bit extreme and counterproductive, but I don't agree with what some people are saying that what he did was harmless. I mean, the women screwed up too, but they did so under false knowledge, while he knew full well exactly what he was doing.
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