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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    This is what I was thinking. I just can't figure how it was possible. Or why they would do it. And yes, he was posing as female friends. I took the AP feed because it mentioned the ludicrous sentencing, but the press release explicitly states that he posed as women (friends).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Stupidity isn't a crime, but the law shouldn't take an active interest in protecting stupid people from themselves.
    This isn't a case where a girl accidentally posted pictures of herself online. This is a case where someone else, another person, extorted her.

    Law can, does, and should take an interest in protecting innocent people from those would do them harm. Not in every tiny case, but imagine being blackmailed to send someone more pictures of yourself - which you didn't want to do, to a stranger who tricked you, under duress of a threat. For some people, this wouldn't be a big deal, for other people this would be extremely harmful. You can't nail him on "harmful behavior", but you can with "identity theft".

    Does it excuse him? No. But the outrage and the sentence discussed is ridiculous. It's turning these women into complete victims. When they're partial victims. I'm not quite sure how Skype works, but it seems like there must've been some red lights if he was "posing" as one of their friends. How did they not question what was going on? Isn't Skype a one to one video chat? Was he using a recorded video feed from one of their friends? And how would he set up the right dialogue for them to be responsive to that? Or if he was typing through text, while they were on the webcam, then that should be a redlight in itself. Why would they give in so willingly and strip, when the other side of the chat is just text? There's no rapport established there. I'm sure some of them might've asked for him to get on cam too, but I wonder what his excuses were and why they didn't just cut it off. There are multiple levels of bad choices and stupid here.
    They thought they were friends. The same friends they talk to on a regular basis on facebook and skype. Friends with familiar screen names, profile pictures, the whole deal. Friends who he probably had access to their data and conversations so he could imitate their behavior and create contexts.

    He shouldn't take the full of responsibility of what happened.
    I strongly disagree and find this reprehensible. If you do something to someone else through extortion - then you are 100% responsible for the actions you committed.

    Sending pictures to people you think are friends isn't a crime, extortion is.

    In a different example, let's say you steal someones car after they leave the keys in the ignition. You're not 'less responsible' for committing the crime of stealing someone's car. They aren't going to (and shouldn't) 'go easy on you' in the court because it was 'so easy to steal from that stupid person.'

    However, some localities consider leaving your car running an offense - you can get a ticket for this, in part because of pollution but also from raising the risk that your car will be jacked.

    In this case, one person's negligence does not take away from another person's crime. They are separate issues. It's not a zero-sum situation. Both people are fully responsible for what they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Sexual harassment is rarely, if ever, prosecuted. Is it even a crime in the US if no actual assault took place? If it is, why wasn't he prosecuted on those terms?

    In the UK, this might be prosecuted under the "voyeurism" section of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, which carries a maximum sentence of 2 yrs, but that's for an aggravated offence which includes making the material available for commercial gain.
    I don't know the exact terms that the system describes for such things, was just under the impression that there is a specific sort of thing involved if it forces sexual services (even if just in pics and videos).

    People keep missing the obvious. None of the counts were about the sexual nature of the crime, all were related to "hacking". This isn't about protecting women or stupid people. It's about clamping down with extreme prejudice on people who are seen as a threat to government. Why else would the FBI get involved?
    I didn't miss that this is a complete internet control play by the government. 105 years is completely ridiculous.

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    See, this is like saying "they were asking for it" with rape, except in this case the women had "FUCK ME NOW" painted all over their naked boobs and were lying legs-up in the street. Or like the time I got in a car accident and the couple in the other vehicle tried to have me charged for endangering their toddler, since he wasn't in a car seat (?!).

    I mean, sure, charges for intrusion and hacking. A few years at most. 105?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity
    this is a complete internet control play by the government
    That's my best understanding of this, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Incidentally, 10 bucks on INTJ.
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    The guy could have bounced 350 checks and he'd be in deep shit. Committing any offense in that volume is asking for trouble. As an aside, did the guy have a criminal record prior to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    The guy could have bounced 350 checks and he'd be in deep shit. Committing any offense in that volume is asking for trouble. As an aside, did the guy have a criminal record prior to this?
    He sounds like a chronic offender with little or absolutely no hope of reform or rehabilitation.

    What sort of criminal record? Do you mean had he done anything which would indicate further that this is characteristic and predictable behaviour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    He sounds like a chronic offender with little or absolutely no hope of reform or rehabilitation.

    What sort of criminal record? Do you mean had he done anything which would indicate further that this is characteristic and predictable behaviour?
    If he has prior convictions it can make his current sentence more harsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    If he has prior convictions it can make his current sentence more harsh.
    I actually figure him for a new brand of criminal the like of which there is going to be more and more of in future.

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    I guess all the porn sites werent enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    I guess all the porn sites werent enough?
    The manipulation and/or the risk was probably the thrill for him. Porn wouldn't be able to give him that.
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