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    Maybe I being naive and unyielding in my INFPness, but the talk and the caving into more drilling is pissing me off. Can't Americans take a little more tightening? Come on.

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    Why is more drilling bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    Why is more drilling bad?
    Climate change, for example?

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    If there were provisions for funding alternative fuel development, etc tied to the bill, I'd be okay with drilling as a stop-gap measure. Otherwise, it's just delaying the inevitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    Why is more drilling bad?
    I won't pretend to present an evidence based argument against it. There are others in the forum who can smoke me in that game, so I figure I'll let them unload their points. I'd just fall apart.

    Most of my opinion comes from a gut reaction. It feels like catering to our consumption addiction is bad news and any solution that does the same is the wrong one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Otherwise, it's just delaying the inevitable.
    From that perspective, beginning to use petroleum at all was just delaying the inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    From that perspective, beginning to use petroleum at all was just delaying the inevitable.
    From that perspective, being born is just delaying the inevitable.

    It seems relatively certain that oil supplies are finite and demand for fuel is increasing as countries develop. Currently, petroleum is the lifeblood of the United States. I don't think, even if we forget the environment completely and drill like there's no tomorrow, that we are going to have enough petroleum to meet our demands very far into the future. I do not like the idea that countries that may or may not be friendly to us can throw us into a crisis at a whim. I think we can and should develop alternatives so that we can be more self-sufficient and so we can transition from petroleum dependence with mild inconvenience instead of a major crisis. I think that we can, but not with businesses focusing no farther ahead than the next quarter. We need a little more big picture than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jive A Turkey View Post
    Maybe I being naive and unyielding in my INFPness, but the talk and the caving into more drilling is pissing me off. Can't Americans take a little more tightening? Come on.
    Are you suggesting that the government forbid the drilling of oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Are you suggesting that the government forbid the drilling of oil?
    I believe there are very few good short-term reasons to promote or (in the case of Alaskan oil) allow drilling of oil. The sheer amount of infrastructure it takes to do offshore drilling is insane, and land-based oil is only a little easier. We're essentially setting ourselves up for more oil in five to ten years, not next week... and five to ten years isn't soon enough to help with the current crunch. As well, given the fact that we live in a global energy market, a decent chunk of that oil is likely to never reach domestic markets. What're the odds of us seeing any sort of decent drop in energy costs for decimating one of the few remaining pieces of untrammeled nature left in the USA? Is it worth persisting in an outmoded model when we could focus on getting through the birthing pains, which we'll be in anyway, to achieve a new structure of stability?

    I'd say no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Priam View Post
    I believe there are very few good short-term reasons to promote or (in the case of Alaskan oil) allow drilling of oil. The sheer amount of infrastructure it takes to do offshore drilling is insane, and land-based oil is only a little easier. We're essentially setting ourselves up for more oil in five to ten years, not next week... and five to ten years isn't soon enough to help with the current crunch. As well, given the fact that we live in a global energy market, a decent chunk of that oil is likely to never reach domestic markets. What're the odds of us seeing any sort of decent drop in energy costs for decimating one of the few remaining pieces of untrammeled nature left in the USA? Is it worth persisting in an outmoded model when we could focus on getting through the birthing pains, which we'll be in anyway, to achieve a new structure of stability?

    I'd say no.
    Could you please define decimation and explain why it is a forgone conclusion?

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