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    ^He pronks, too! Magic Poriferan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    And yet Justices, lawyers, and scholars manage it everyday.
    They claim to manage it everyday.
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    After half a decade of being a trustee of a charity, wasting many an hour enforcing and upholding a constitution for the sake of doing so, Falcarius can honestly say he is pleased he lives in a country with an uncodified constitution.
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    Oh our 3rd person reference to ourselves denotes nothing more than we realize we are epic characters on the forum.

    Narcissism, plain and simple.

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    I don't think the idea of replacing/eliminating the constitution should be off the table, but it's something that needs to be considered very, very carefully. It's worked well for a very long time, and if it is to be replaced, a better alternative needs to first be created. I know I'd rather not entrust the core structure of my country to an unchecked, undefined supreme court. There has to be some sort of central document, even if it were to take a different form from the current constitution. And I really don't trust the population at present to come up with something better, to be honest. People in this country right now are too concerned with their own self-interest, and have too poor of a grasp of unintended consequences to be left with that responsibility.
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    Tolkein's utopia was either anarchy or unconstitutional monarchy.

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    I don't get it, the Bill of Rights is supposed to be a founding philosophy for the government. It defines the power and rights that we each are supposed to have. If you get rid of it, what government do you have? Whatever those in power decide is best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    I don't get it, the Bill of Rights is supposed to be a founding philosophy for the government. It defines the power and rights that we each are supposed to have. If you get rid of it, what government do you have?
    You can have a written government without a bill of rights you know? You'd probably be surprised that some of our founding fathers didn't even want it, like Alexander Hamilton. As has already been pointed out, you don't even need a central constitutional document of any kind. Again, you can ask the citizens of countries with uncodified constitutions what sort of dystopia they're living in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    Whatever those in power decide is best?
    In truth, this is already how the USA's government works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia. View Post
    Ding ding ding. We have a winner Johnny! Tell him what he's won!

    Well Skip, he's won his very own guaranteed individual rights and liberties, ones that power-hungry, busy-body, emotionally-driven judicial activists and mobs can't arbitrarily take away just because they feel like it! This appealing package also comes with a free powers of government limitation feature, in the form of checks and balances, keeping each wing of government separate from each other, and everybody in their respective place so nobody gets any ideas! Sponsored by the brilliant wig-wearing men, and the thousands who fought and died to secure its existence.
    Guaranteed, huh? Who guarantees them?

    I was quite serious about those things I said should be considered. I was really interested in what responses some of the more loyal constitutionalists had. I'm just going to post them yet again.

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    There are 5 countries in the world that don't have constitutions in the sense that the USA does. They are the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Only one of those 5 is actually the thing people fear a nation without a constitution will become.

    That leaves all the other countries on the table. So if you think about all of the countries in the world, constitutions actually have a pretty low success rate when it comes to protecting rights, representation, and democracy. What makes a constitution so important if it merely makes suggestions that can be discarded at any point?

    And finally there's the significant point the professor raised in the video. Our great presidents had doubts about the constitution and all disobeyed it. Washington might be an exception but as the first president he's in a unique situation. So would the country actually be a much worse place if our leaders did follow the constitution exactingly?
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    Those who violate the Constitution have to at least nod and wink at the Constitution while they violate it. Methinks that checks abuses of power at least somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    You can have a written government without a bill of rights you know? You'd probably be surprised that some of our founding fathers didn't even want it, like Alexander Hamilton. As has already been pointed out, you don't even need a central constitutional document of any kind. Again, you can ask the citizens of countries with uncodified constitutions what sort of dystopia they're living in.
    Word games. A written government is a bill of rights. If you say it isn't, then provide concrete examples and quit dicking around. Honestly, I don't even really care; but if you're going to argue no constitution you should at least be able to provide an alternative.

    In truth, this is already how the USA's government works.
    Okay, explain why I should believe you?

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    I wonder if it'll ever be possible to whither away the state?

    I like that idea and see it as the final test of socialism, once the class war is over, once society has sufficiently advanced there shouldnt be any sort of government, constitutional or other.

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