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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    The beliefs are so extreme when it comes to pro-life that they think that pro-choice means pro-abortion. It really does not.
    And by the same token, pro-life does not mean anti-woman.....its a complicated moral issue that is prone to demonization from strong partisans from either end of the spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    And by the same token, pro-life does not mean anti-woman.....its a complicated moral issue that is prone to demonization from strong partisans from either end of the spectrum.
    By the same token, someone who will hire only men is not "anti-woman", just more strongly "pro-men". Everyone is "pro-life". The differences lie only in who we are willing to see die a preventable death, and in what circumstances.
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    A pro-contraceptive campaign would reduce the incidence of abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    And by the same token, pro-life does not mean anti-woman.....its a complicated moral issue that is prone to demonization from strong partisans from either end of the spectrum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    By the same token, someone who will hire only men is not "anti-woman", just more strongly "pro-men". Everyone is "pro-life". The differences lie only in who we are willing to see die a preventable death, and in what circumstances.

    Roughly half of aborted fetuses would have grown up to be women, so in a way it is very anti-woman, and anti-life. It's not a gray area in any other area... convenience and "rights" of the individual never justify murder, ever. Why should it with an unborn child? In fact such a motive, if established, usually ends up getting a harsher penalty (if Casey Anthony was found guilty she was looking at the death penalty or life in prison).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    By the same token, someone who will hire only men is not "anti-woman", just more strongly "pro-men".

    Everyone is "pro-life".
    Not even remotely analogous, but thanks for demonstrating my point.

    And everyone is 'pro-choice', virtually everyone on the Western Hemisphere is 'American', etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LevelZeroHero View Post
    Roughly half of aborted fetuses would have grown up to be women, so in a way it is very anti-woman, and anti-life. It's not a gray area in any other area... convenience and "rights" of the individual never justify murder, ever. Why should it with an unborn child? In fact such a motive, if established, usually ends up getting a harsher penalty (if Casey Anthony was found guilty she was looking at the death penalty or life in prison).
    Given the gender parity in birth, abortion is no more anti-woman than anti-man. It is no more anti-life than denying health insurance to people with pre-existing conditions, or sending a drone after some Al-Qaeda leader, knowing civilians will be caught in the crossfire. Protecting all life equally is something neither conservatives nor liberals can justify in real terms, though for different reasons. And yes, "murder" by definition is not justified. When taking another life is justified, we call it by a different name, whether that be self-defense, capital punishment, war, or abortion.
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