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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I was watching a BBC TV show about the latest developments in technology and they were talking about the latests super high definition TVs, at present the prototypes are too expensive for any mass consumer market, insanely advanced technology which is reportedly as good as actually being there.

    They made some jokes about so many million pixels but nothing on, its a variation on the saying about millions of channels and nothing on which people used to say, probably still do, about sky broadcasting and the multiplication of channels from the original three or four.

    I read bits and pieces from a net guru's book "you are not a gadget" a while back which mentioned just this dilemma, in theory access to means of producing, in the narrower sense of media and similar content at least, has never been greater but the content which is produced is not that innovative or interesting for the most part, ie I Can Haz Cheezeburger memes are not Shakespeare.

    What's your thoughts? Is creativity always going to lag behind technological innovation? Content behind presentation?
    Like others have said, the definition of art is subjective in nature, and technology itself can fit the role in the appropriate context.

    The other pov is empowerment, i.e. more average joe's can experiment tapping in to their creative veins. Not all will be Michael Angelos, which begets the subjective judgement of clutter background noise increasing, from which your premise of art lagging behind memes stemmed from VS more human expression, and thus [quantitatively] art, is being created nowadays, than ever before.

    And even as the clutter threshold increases, so does the geniality peak, as again, technology empowers those gifted or brave enough to try, enabling them to achieving ever so astonishing results better and quicker.
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    Creative as in making stuff, or creative as in making new stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    With new technology means the need for people to learn that technology, so yes, creativity will lack behind technology.

    For people to make full use of technology, we need creators who can use that technology, and that requires training (sometimes lots of training.)

    Think of animating by hand versus animating through software (like flash) versus animating through a 3-d software.

    Drawing each frame was the de facto way of animating before people got to know how to use flash or 3-d animation software.
    The methods may change but the actual product very often does not. It tends to be the same thing but shinier and with more special effects. The same movies but in HD. That's mostly what technology is doing right now.

    Actual creativity is often rejected as being too wild, rebellious, incomprehensible, or even financially risky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post

    Actual creativity is often rejected as being too wild, rebellious, incomprehensible, or even financially risky.
    Being rejected is irrelevant. If rejection actually does stop it, it is worthless, useless, and worthy of no recognition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Being rejected is irrelevant. If rejection actually does stop it, it is worthless, useless, and worthy of no recognition
    That ironically supports what I've just said by being an example of it.

    "The things that are worthwhile get through and the things that don't aren't worth anything" is such an old trend and in itself is a form of sticking to stifling old ways.

    'Practical creativity' is incredibly old and worn out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    That ironically supports what I've just said by being an example of it.

    "The things that are worthwhile get through and the things that don't aren't worth anything" is such an old trend and in itself is a form of sticking to stifling old ways.

    'Practical creativity' is incredibly old and worn out.
    That reminds me of this @ useless objects/art
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    That reminds me of this @ useless objects/art
    I love stuff like that. Useless inventions, and even anti-art.

    Don't get me wrong, designing new computers to solve advanced problems and such does have its place and they are getting more powerful all the time, but they are always used for the same endeavors in the end - that which is deemed acceptable and worthwhile.

    It's not necessarily our problem solving that is faulty. Some times it's what we call problems and what we call solutions which ends up being the uncreative thing.

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    Creativity doesn't lag behind technology. Technology has provided normal folks with the capability to produce content. But it hasn't blessed them with the talent or skill to make that content any good. When there was limited access to technology, the people that got to use it were carefully vetted, and that's not the case anymore.

    In essence, now that every mouth breather with a laptop can make a movie, there are a lot of shitty movies out there. Technology makes you a creator, it doesn't make you a skilled creator. There are the same number of quality creative works out there, it's just that they're diluted by the onslaught of armchair Finchers who buy a digicam and crack a copy of Final Cut Pro.

    This all makes it seem like creativity is on a downward curve, but it's not. You just have to be more selective as a consumer of media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    Creativity doesn't lag behind technology. Technology has provided normal folks with the capability to produce content. But it hasn't blessed them with the talent or skill to make that content any good. When there was limited access to technology, the people that got to use it were carefully vetted, and that's not the case anymore.

    In essence, now that every mouth breather with a laptop can make a movie, there are a lot of shitty movies out there. Technology makes you a creator, it doesn't make you a skilled creator. There are the same number of quality creative works out there, it's just that they're diluted by the onslaught of armchair Finchers who buy a digicam and crack a copy of Final Cut Pro.

    This all makes it seem like creativity is on a downward curve, but it's not. You just have to be more selective as a consumer of media.
    Let's not confuse creativity with quality or skill, because they are not at all the same things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Let's not confuse creativity with quality or skill, because they are not at all the same things.
    Creativity is not doled out in equal amounts. It's a trait that some people have more than others. Furthermore, creativity without skill isn't going to result in quality work. That's what I'm saying. Having a camera does not make you a good photographer; being a good photographer makes you a good photographer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    Creativity is not doled out in equal amounts. It's a trait that some people have more than others. Furthermore, creativity without skill isn't going to result in quality work. That's what I'm saying. Having a camera does not make you a good photographer; being a good photographer makes you a good photographer.
    So basically there's more ability to create yet not proportionally more creative people. Right?

    Wouldn't that in fact demonstrate that creativity is actually lagging behind?

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