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    I think a lot of this was a ploy to get anyone to pay attention to cycling. Marathons will be next.

    And then maybe curling...

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    I fear for the sports of archery and shooting.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    I fear for the sports of archery and shooting.
    What are the problems there? Drugs that calm the nerves maybe? That sounds difficult to prosecute, considering the legitimate ways of going about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    And then maybe curling...
    Great, that's all we need -- a bunch of posers and fanboys/girls taking over our beautiful sport!
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    Quote Originally Posted by trancemode View Post
    This reminds me of an underlying psychological dimension I see in this sort of thing: people in general feel better about themselves—relieved—when they see someone worse on display. An inner voice whispers, “Thank God, at least I’m not as much of a dick (or fill in the blank) as that guy”.

    Also, shadow issues are a factor in our reaction to scapegoats (whether the scapegoat in question deserves it or not). We find relief in projecting our disowned “asshole” qualities onto a Lance Armstrong who visibly embodies them.
    Lol.

    There might be some elements of truth in that; but really, in the end, it doesn't change who did what, does it?

    And some of us have taken high roads in our own lives, at tremendous cost to ourselves, even if it's not involving millions of dollars and world-wide notoriety such as what Armstrong was benefitting from. Maybe it's vindication on some level that we made the right decision by thinking of others besides ourselves, to see what happens when someone does not, and thus the scales are still balanced and the world still makes sense? But to label him uniformly a scapegoat seems to be a bit of a stretch; he's actually culpable of the things people have accused him of doing.

    I don't see the point in publicly pilloring him anymore; I'd just like to see him go away, as irrelevant. Notoriety is still fame of a sorts. If he manages to work through whatever his issues are and climb his way back up, more power to him; but he needs to start from scratch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    What are the problems there? Drugs that calm the nerves maybe? That sounds difficult to prosecute, considering the legitimate ways of going about that.
    I was making of the jokes.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    I was making of the jokes.
    Oh. Well, I just thought of a way to gain the upper hand in sharpshooting competitions then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Oh. Well, I just thought of a way to gain the upper hand in sharpshooting competitions then.
    Pretty sure medicines that calm the nerves are verboten in competitive shooting/archery. (I only know this because I am on a heart medication, a beta blocker, which apparently calms the nerves and steadies the hand, and so people use it sometimes for stagefright as well as shooting/archery.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Sports needs more Babe Ruths and Mickey Mantles.. tempermental, unhealthy, alcoholics who still set records, without performance enhancing drugs.
    Ruth corked his bat, and Mantle didn't set any records.

    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    I have no idea how things will turn out in the long run for Cadell Evans and Bradley Wiggins.
    Maybe this is naive, but I truly think Wiggins is clean. Everyone who's successful in cycling today has to answer innumerable questions about doping, and Wiggins has been pretty adamant. Maybe I'm just a sucker.

    I've never liked Lance Armstrong, and I've never believed that he was clean. Maybe that's why I don't really care about most of the drama now. Bill James has written that he never particularly liked Pete Rose, so when Rose was outed as a gambler, he didn't feel angry or betrayed, whereas the media who had deified Rose turned on him viciously. That's kind of how I see this playing out -- the people who did the most to celebrate Armstrong feel foolish now, and their anger and shame are playing out to the point of absurdity.

    I do agree with Ivy, et al, that it's pretty despicable he went so far out of his way to insist on his innocence, basically libeling and slandering those who accused him. I still don't understand why he's confessed now. I don't see what he had to gain.

    re: Tiger Woods comparisons ... if Tiger Woods was still the best golfer in the world, all would have been forgiven by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burymecloser View Post
    Ruth corked his bat
    There's only one writer who claimed this from viewing a photo decades later of one of Ruth's bats, and extrapolating that Ruth was a cheat. Ruth was kicking everyone's ass in his day, and I'd think at least one of the actual players then would have spoken up, at least out of resentment.

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