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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    THIS.

    If Armstrong's Tour de France victories should be repealed, then a bloodlust of equivalent magnitude should be waged against anyone who has won that event since him (at minimum).
    It is STUPID to think that by de-frocking Armstrong of his victories, that doping with PEDs in the professional cycling circuit has been eradicated.

    Furthermore, look at the IOC's doping thresholds for athletes registering as using testosterone/androgens, etc:

    http://www.sharonlbegley.com/the-real-scandal

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...er-bender.html

    Unless every professional/international athletic regulatory board is willing to investigate every champion alive to date, they should shut their fucking mouths.

    To make one a pariah and villify them is a fucking joke.

    You want only "pure" athletes to ever win a game or a medal in any given sporting event?

    Then isolate random children at birth, raise them in bubbles (a confined and controlled environment) for the duration of their lives including their training and competitive years) and once they retire (by free-will, or force) disallow them from ever competing again.

    Otherwise, shut your pie-hole.



    Another excellent point.
    Kenneth Lay might have died in prison, but it took about a decade to make any charges against him stick.
    What about the other fucks in the mark-to-market economy buster?
    Most of the went free.
    What about the assholes that caused the sub-prime market to collapse?
    They are offshore spending their embezzled fortunes and "too big to fail" bonuses while the rest of us sit here and wonder how in the fuck our great-great-grandchildren are going to payoff these most recent societal fleecings (of the populace, by the power elite).

    "PRIVATIZE PROFITS; SOCIALIZE LOSSES" = BULLSHIT

    Yet somehow we're supposed to feel grateful for all this.
    And in the throws of it all, throw stones at Lance Armstrong to make ourselves feel better.
    My response to the above is = "EAT SHIT and DIE."



    It's not entertainment, although I greatly appreciate your sarcasm.
    Here's what it all is.
    What three things must ANY ruling party/government/regime do to ensure they remain in power?

    (1) Convince the people they rule that someone OTHER THAN THEIR GOVERNMENT is their ENEMY.
    (2) Keep the people you rule FED.
    (3) Keep the people you rule ENTERTAINED.

    "Entertainment" is actually not directly necessary, confusion will suffice, and is alot cheaper to levey.

    KEEP YOUR ENEMIES CONFUSED and you can DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

    The media doesn't necessarily tell us "what to think"; it tells us "what to think about."
    Heads up people: Lance Armstrong, Kim Cardashian, and Brangelina's latest adopted child ARE NOT what really matters in this world.
    More people need to get their heads out of their asses and pay attention.



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    Anyone who uses the words 'stupid', 'fucking', 'piehole', 'bullshit', 'fucks', 'assholes', 'shit', and 'asses', in one post, has lost control of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    You don't think he will follow the path of redemption taken by Tiger Woods?
    So far, I've been surprised Tiger Woods has been treated as badly as he has. It's far worse than I was expecting. Tiger was probably a more popular figure than Lance. So, Lance will probably have it even harder. My point is society has become very cynical and unforgiving in recent years. There still may be a chance for either one, but I'm skeptical. Personally, I have nothing against any of these people. I know they may have done wrong; that's obvious. But the punishment seems way greater than the crime to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Anyone who uses the words 'stupid', 'fucking', 'piehole', 'bullshit', 'fucks', 'assholes', 'shit', and 'asses', in one post, has lost control of themselves.
    Opinions are like assholes, Victor; everybody has one.
    You dream about making a valid point someday, that's cute.
    Everybody needs a dream, you need to find one that's achievable.
    Please go forth and drown yourself in the froth of Oz'ism...



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    Actually, that's impressive you used all of them in one post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Actually, that's impressive you used all of them in one post.
    Thank you, Sir!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    THIS.

    If Armstrong's Tour de France victories should be repealed, then a bloodlust of equivalent magnitude should be waged against anyone who has won that event since him (at minimum).
    It is STUPID to think that by de-frocking Armstrong of his victories, that doping with PEDs in the professional cycling circuit has been eradicated.

    Furthermore, look at the IOC's doping thresholds for athletes registering as using testosterone/androgens, etc:

    http://www.sharonlbegley.com/the-real-scandal

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...er-bender.html

    Unless every professional/international athletic regulatory board is willing to investigate every champion alive to date, they should shut their fucking mouths.

    To make one a pariah and villify them is a fucking joke.

    You want only "pure" athletes to ever win a game or a medal in any given sporting event?

    Then isolate random children at birth, raise them in bubbles (a confined and controlled environment) for the duration of their lives including their training and competitive years) and once they retire (by free-will, or force) disallow them from ever competing again.

    Otherwise, shut your pie-hole.



    Another excellent point.
    Kenneth Lay might have died in prison, but it took about a decade to make any charges against him stick.
    What about the other fucks in the mark-to-market economy buster?
    Most of the went free.
    What about the assholes that caused the sub-prime market to collapse?
    They are offshore spending their embezzled fortunes and "too big to fail" bonuses while the rest of us sit here and wonder how in the fuck our great-great-grandchildren are going to payoff these most recent societal fleecings (of the populace, by the power elite).

    "PRIVATIZE PROFITS; SOCIALIZE LOSSES" = BULLSHIT

    Yet somehow we're supposed to feel grateful for all this.
    And in the throws of it all, throw stones at Lance Armstrong to make ourselves feel better.
    My response to the above is = "EAT SHIT and DIE."



    It's not entertainment, although I greatly appreciate your sarcasm.
    Here's what it all is.
    What three things must ANY ruling party/government/regime do to ensure they remain in power?

    (1) Convince the people they rule that someone OTHER THAN THEIR GOVERNMENT is their ENEMY.
    (2) Keep the people you rule FED.
    (3) Keep the people you rule ENTERTAINED.

    "Entertainment" is actually not directly necessary, confusion will suffice, and is alot cheaper to levey.

    KEEP YOUR ENEMIES CONFUSED and you can DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

    The media doesn't necessarily tell us "what to think"; it tells us "what to think about."
    Heads up people: Lance Armstrong, Kim Cardashian, and Brangelina's latest adopted child ARE NOT what really matters in this world.
    More people need to get their heads out of their asses and pay attention.



    -Halla74

    Great post Halla74, even if you have “lost control” of yourself, or forgot to take your meds or whatever. This is why it’s hard for me to get emotional about these crowd-pleasing witch hunts like some people do. In this case they experience righteous anger at Armstrong because he let them down, and righteous satisfaction as if the real bad guy was brought to justice. Which isn't to say I feel sorry for Armstrong and don’t think he more or less got what he deserved, just that we maybe need to prioritize better in who and what we direct our outrage at.

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    The actual doping is not the most disturbing part of the Lance Armstrong thing, to me. I'm sure there's doping in all kinds of sports at the highest levels. What really disturbs me about it is his policy of slandering/suing anyone who insinuated that he was doping. WHEN HE WAS. I mean, Jesus. What a dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    The actual doping is not the most disturbing part of the Lance Armstrong thing, to me. I'm sure there's doping in all kinds of sports at the highest levels. What really disturbs me about it is his policy of slandering/suing anyone who insinuated that he was doping. WHEN HE WAS. I mean, Jesus. What a dick.
    Yes. That, and the whole faking his cancer thing.

    I don't know... I know it seems dramatic, but you could probably make a good case that he's an actual, diagnosable psychopath. ...Or at the very least, an INTJ.

    Edit: Him faking his cancer is just internet gossip at the moment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Yes. That, and the whole faking his cancer thing.

    I don't know... I know it seems dramatic, but you could probably make a good case that he's an actual, diagnosable psychopath. ...Or at the very least, an INTJ.
    I didn't even know about the faked cancer until you just said that. That is completely disgusting. I haven't followed the story extremely closely- just closely enough to know he's a total liar and that his lies hurt honest people's reputations and in some cases caused them material harm.

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    Udog, did he really fake the cancer too? I can't find that in a reliable source online.

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