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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We introduced gun control to stop gun massacres, and it worked, completely, 100%.

    However we just don't have a gun culture here. For instance, the only guns I have ever seen in my entire life are on police.
    The difference in culture is a very important point. However, you did not answer my question. Perhaps you know the answer?
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    The really odd thing about the National Rifle Association of the USA is that they have put it around here that we too have a right to bear arms.

    And of course we don't have a right to bear arms. And we don't want a right to bear arms.

    And we would like the National Rifle Association of the USA to stay at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    The difference in culture is a very important point. However, you did not answer my question. Perhaps you know the answer?
    I remember an Australian who had personally fought and killed terrorists, visiting the USA. He was invited to go into the woods to shoot dumb animals, and his hosts were surprised when he politely refused.

    Americans seem to think we should all share your gun culture. But the fact is we find it repugnant.

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    Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease[in murder]; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
    During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
    Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
    Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
    At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
    Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I remember an Australian who had personally fought and killed terrorists visiting the USA. He was invited to go into the woods to shoot dumb animals, and his hosts were surprised when he politely refused.

    Americans seem to think we should all share your gun culture. But the fact is we find it repugnant.
    Victor, we get it. However, you are not convincing anyone of anything. In fact, I'd wager that your blind hatred is going to hurt your cause. However, I wish you luck in your endeavours to change Americans by expressing your disdain for them. You'll need it.
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    Your attempts to introduce American gun culture and gun propaganda to Australia are unappreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Since we introduced our gun control laws we have had not one gun massacre.

    And the people of Australia know our gun control laws were the right choice. It's one choice we are all happy with.

    However we still have to fend off propaganda from the National Rifle Association of the USA.
    The emotional choice, is the choice which causes increased violent crime, as the numbers prove. So being in favor of massive increase in crime is your choice.

    What you're describing is tyranny. And that's unacceptable. That supports fascism. Sorry, I wouldn't live in Australia where the police can just walk in through homes without knocking or a warrant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    The emotional choice, is the choice which causes increased violent crime, as the numbers prove. So being in favor of massive increase in crime is your choice.

    What you're describing is tyranny. And that's unacceptable. That supports fascism. Sorry, I wouldn't live in Australia where the police can just walk in through homes without knocking or a warrant.
    When I first read your post, I thought the bolded couldn't be true. So I did a Google search and found this:

    http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/legal...tawarrant.aspx

    The police are at my house and want to come in but they don't have a warrant . I don't have to let them in, do I?
    Yes, for some things, for example to:
    prevent domestic violence
    investigate traffic offences e.g. to take a breath test for alcohol
    catch someone who has escaped from prison or from being arrested
    search if they reasonably suspect there is evidence which may otherwise be hidden or destroyed
    arrest someone
    reach a crime scene.
    Scary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    But what good reason is there for that ban?
    Because the CDC has a history of politicized, biased and agenda-driven research on the subject: http://reason.com/archives/1997/04/0...alth-pot-shots

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Because the CDC has a history of politicized, biased and agenda-driven research on the subject: http://reason.com/archives/1997/04/0...alth-pot-shots
    It couldn't be any worse than the Intelligent Design movement.
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