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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    interesting idea that brings relevance to a lot of interesting questions.

    here's one:
    what amount of power do you think the internal management of a party has over their Representative for the presidency once he takes office?
    Depends on who controls Congress. The power really is in Congress. The president is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces and can deploy them, but needs Congress in order to 'officially' declare war. The President comes up with a yearly spending plan, but Congress must approve it.

    Other than that, it's Congress that does pretty much everything meaningful. The President can send laws to Congress and sign off on laws. The President can veto bills, yes, but Congress has the power to override vetos and pass the law anyway (usually doesn't happen in practice, but it is possible)

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    Supreme court justices already do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    Supreme court justices already do.
    Yeah heh. It's just really frickin long typically - e.g. life.

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    Changing it to one term would cause standards to go even lower. Not too many people of high caliber will seek an office limited to only one term. You'd have a Congress consisting of people even more incompetent. Kind of like the Confederate Congress. Most men of any worth during that time were involved in some way with the military. This meant that whatever was left was scraping the bottom of the barrel, resulting in a Confederate Congress which was less than worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Enforcing term limits wouldn't actually fix any of these problems. Corporations would still fund the campaigns of candidates who support their agendas, they would just be funding a revolving door of candidates rather than mostly the same group of people every election. That might be less efficient for corporations, but only marginally so. Buying government influence still gives you more bang for you buck than treating your workers well and innovating once your company reaches a certain size.
    I'm well aware of the fact that corporate influence is probably the biggest threat to the health of our country. That does not completely remove the value of this idea nor does directly addressing corporate influence necessarily do everything that needs to be done.

    On the note of revolving doors, I've heard interesting suggestions about laws that restrict the ability of public office holders to seek private posts for some years after leaving office. Unfortunately I don't know what it would take to get anyone actually in the government to pass such a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    interesting idea that brings relevance to a lot of interesting questions.

    here's one:
    what amount of power do you think the internal management of a party has over their Representative for the presidency once he takes office?
    I don't think that's been consistent between presidents.
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    @Magic Poriferan

    For the U.S. Congress and President: 4 for the house, 6 for the senate, and 8 for the president (strictly because it has been tradition... except for FDR... to term out after 2.) If a person is lucky, 18 years total. We can have a longer 1 term or shorter 2 terms. There is less of an incentive to go on campaigning when you only have one long term. We find that most president do more in their second terms because they are "wiser" but the other reason is because there is less of an influence from outside groups because the president is going to be termed out anyways.

    But yes, with some reservations.

    Term limits has already occurred in California, but in a weird way.

    The state Senate Pro Temp, and very much the House Speaker, is often elected in the case of ongoing freshmen. That freshmen keeps his role until he is termed out. When he is termed out, that is when a new freshmen is put up into the position. The reason being that they do this is that none of them want to elect a new Speaker/Pro Temp when that person's term is almost out. So they elect a freshmen to keep the Speaker-ship or Pro Temp status to make use of the term limit(s)

    The problem arises is when we need bills that take longer than a few years. The next Speaker or Senate Pro Temp(Senate Majority Leader) might find other bills to work on, or that same person will rework the whole entire bill altogether. Some bills that were created by the previous Congress could be trashed altogether by the new Speaker/Pro Temp all in favor of another agenda. When we want to have a more senior official to get a long overdue job to be done with more experience at hand, we are unable to.

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    1 term limit is a bad idea because a term in office is a record of what the official has done while in there. If each candidate was new every time, the voters would not have any record to base the promises a politician makes upon.

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    Legislative term limits, especially if they are short, produce a political system run by the (entirely unelected) staffers, since by the time an elected official gets up to speed on even one or two significant issues of the day, his/her term is up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Legislative term limits, especially if they are short, produce a political system run by the (entirely unelected) staffers, since by the time an elected official gets up to speed on even one or two significant issues of the day, his/her term is up.
    Which is why I propose a longer one term over two or three short ones.

    One longer term just means that there would not be a need for campaigning and for paying people who put you into office. It means that congress can actually spend time working on bills instead of campaigning and looking for donations year-round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    Which is why I propose a longer one term over two or three short ones.
    But then what happens if you get a crappy congressman. It would take forever (maybe 4 or 8 years) for his term to expire.

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