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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Hey man, to your credit, you seem pretty informed (about your own views and opposing ones). I'm just saying it's bookish. Which wouldn't be so bad if you didn't paint others as bookish too. As if they came to their conclusions on such essential things to the human experience as "gender" is via an explict ideaological viewpoint. People are often more complicated than that, and ideas often come about unconsciously and/or organically (for lack of a better word). Not through media or their brainwashing professors (this could go for many subjects). And if you don't want to engage others on this level, then what's the point of even talking about anything then. All your left with then is mere parlour talk with other academics.


    No, its not explicit ideology, its implicit ideology most of the time.

    Could seem like parlour talk with academics, maybe I like that sort of thing, its not very commonplace I know that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post


    No, its not explicit ideology, its implicit ideology most of the time.
    I'm going to chalk this up to type, I think. If you're an NT, you're going to see more patterns here. I'm not going bother convincing you they aren't always real.

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    She chose that particular group for their GGW tendency? Talk about confirmation bias.


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    To address the OP (which I don't think I ever did), I do think there's a trend of "demise" (maybe not a nation of prostitutes as the article says, but something close to it in certain age groups). I don't exactly lament it as some big societal issue though. I'll leave changing the world's problems to other people. If some girls want to be treated like whores, then so be it. The only difference between me and the dude who says "Let a ho be a ho" is not that I'm not getting laid and taking advantage of it (tempted sometimes). I'd rather meet someone (that is, in the rare times I want to meet anyone) who has more self respect. And who hasn't been gangbanged, done porn, webcam shows, wears tacky "porn star" shirts, or any way shape or form show up as entries on "The Dirty, etc.. I'll find other things to do.

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    Why must this crap be analyzed? The very answer they are looking to define is subjective. So it ends up reading as someone's self-righteous, inflated opinion. There's someone for everyone. No one stays in a static place mentally. These are college students after all. Who is this moron? Eh. Nevermind. I don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    No one stays in a static place mentally.
    A wise philosopher named Ludacris said, "Once a ho, always a ho."

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    Yall professional like DJ Clue, pullin on my coat tail
    an why do you think you take a ho to a hotel?
    Hotel everybody, even the mayor
    Reach up in tha sky for tha hozone laya
    Come on playa once a ho always

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    Why must this crap be analyzed? The very answer they are looking to define is subjective. So it ends up reading as someone's self-righteous, inflated opinion. There's someone for everyone. No one stays in a static place mentally. These are college students after all. Who is this moron? Eh. Nevermind. I don't care.
    Yeah, basically this. I've grown quite sick of these kinds of facile social analyses (and all of them, no matter how sophisticated, turn out to be of equally ZERO real value.) Not to be anti-intellectual (well, maybe), but some lines of inquiry will only lead you into a seething quagmire of shit that does little more than to confirm your biases or depress you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    Why must this crap be analyzed? The very answer they are looking to define is subjective. So it ends up reading as someone's self-righteous, inflated opinion. There's someone for everyone. No one stays in a static place mentally. These are college students after all. Who is this moron? Eh. Nevermind. I don't care.

    1. These are not college students. They're MBA students who typically need several years work experience before being accepted into a top-notch program. That would put most of them in the second half of their 20s.

    2. As such these aren't merely a ridiculously small sample of our culture, but rather a representation of our culture makers.

    3. Simply because an analysis doesn't contain quantifiable data doesn't mean it's not worthwhile. The most important things in life are not quantifiable.

    4. The article is a response to someone else's depiction of these women and their behavior as an example of the progress of feminism. The author herself didn't go looking for examples of professional women going wild.

    5. Ending with "Who is this moron? Eh. Nevermind. I don't care." just makes your post read as merely your inflated, self-righteous, hypocritical opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Yeah, basically this. I've grown quite sick of these kinds of facile social analyses (and all of them, no matter how sophisticated, turn out to be of equally ZERO real value.) Not to be anti-intellectual (well, maybe), but some lines of inquiry will only lead you into a seething quagmire of shit that does little more than to confirm your biases or depress you.
    I, for one, am not here to be self-righteous. My position comes more from a stance of survival. One of the harder decisions in surviving is to tell yourself "people don't change". Whether it's true or not doesn't really matter. It's just a good rule of thumb. It's true in all the practical ways it affects you. I'd be an idiot to leave room for the idea that people "don't stay in a static place mentally". It's that kind of thinking that makes guys like Kanye West think he's going to have a happy family and "change" Kim Kardashian (not that I care for celebrity news or anything. There are tons of other Kanyes and Kims out there. Those two are just representative of the situation).

    edit: Needless to say, but this all applies in the reverse as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I, for one, am not here to be self-righteous. My position comes more from a stance of survival. One of the harder decisions in surviving is to tell yourself "people don't change". Whether it's true or not doesn't really matter. It's just a good rule of thumb. It's true in all the practical ways it affects you. I'd be an idiot to leave room for the idea that people "don't stay in a static place mentally". It's that kind of thinking that makes guys like Kanye West think he's going to have a happy family and "change" Kim Kardashian (not that I care for celebrity news or anything. There are tons of other Kanyes and Kims out there. Those two are just representative of the situation).

    edit: Needless to say, but this all applies in the reverse as well.
    What you describe is a kind of practical intuition. I was talking more about the article in the OP and the other article to which it is responding.
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