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    People enjoy vesting thought in some fucked up, irrelevant things. This grows more and more apparent daily.

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    I've dated lots of these chicks They usually end up 40 and alone because they only want rich educated guys who would rather fuck 24 year olds than put up with their bullshit
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Are you serious?
    Serious enough to bet good money on that guess. Don't think anyone would be interested in counter betting though.

    Jesus, prejudiced much...
    For some reason, every time you disagree with me I get more confident about the validity of what I said.

    When you agree with me, I usually start second guessing myself, wondering whether what I had considered an objective assessment was merely the most convenient point of view.

    Thank you for being such a reliable parameter.

    Happy New Year, Lark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Serious enough to bet good money on that guess. Don't think anyone would be interested in counter betting though.


    For some reason, every time you disagree with me I get more confident about the validity of what I said.

    When you agree with me, I usually start second guessing myself, wondering whether what I had considered an objective assessment was merely the most convenient point of view.

    Thank you for being such a reliable parameter.

    Happy New Year, Lark.
    well you know what eleanor roosevelt said great minds discuss ideas, average minds events, small minds people, so where do you figure allowing your ideas to be determined by contact with a stranger on an online forum fits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    well you know what eleanor roosevelt said great minds discuss ideas, average minds events, small minds people, so where do you figure allowing your ideas to be determined by contact with a stranger on an online forum fits?
    The most important part was the idea, not the people involved.

    Anyways, I'll show what I think is wrong with the article.

    As the evening unfolds, a dirty internet picture gets passed around a table on a smartphone, as one woman is flipped the bird by her lover when someone mentions “marriage,” and another entertains a group of men with an imitation of an Asian call girl’s come-on.
    So the premisses are:
    a) modern women aren't quite interested in marrying
    b) dancing like an asian call girl has gotten socially acceptable

    re a) So what? By not marrying they are morally regressing?

    re b) So what? Asia is a pretty big continent, so it's hard to find a parameter, but some asians are quite conservative with sex (no wonder japanese porn still censors the genitals).

    This bizarre news illustrate the chinese idea of ''sexy'':
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sss-marks.html

    Based on that, I don't think call girls have to behave as blatantly as the western ones to draw attention. In fact, it's quite likely that they wouldn't look like a prostitute here.

    Also, if many women are behaving like that, chances are many men are being attracted by that, hence building up an incentive. Why don't we ever judge them?

    The only student who seems astonished by all this casual decadence is a South American, who says that in her country, women who act like this are either desperate or the type of professional who doesn’t need an MBA.
    Why ''decadence''? What if they consider that humans are better off not becoming monogamic? Why should we think less of them? I think it is justified to say that they aren't marriage material, but any conclusion beyond that is very precipitated.

    But the real kicker is in Ms. Rosin’s response. She writes: “So there we have it…. We are, in the world’s estimation, a nation of prostitutes. And not even prostitutes with hearts of gold. Is that so bad? Or is there, maybe, a different way to analyze the scene that had just unfolded?”
    dafuq? hearts of gold?

    She goes on to say that the progress women have made toward ending the power domination of men is a “remarkable development” made possible by “not just the pill or legal abortion but the whole new landscape of sexual freedom—the ability to delay marriage and have temporary relationships that don’t derail education or career.
    Yes.
    *To put it crudely, feminist progress right now largely depends on the existence of the hookup culture.”
    That's quite inconsistent. We could call the hookup culture a side effect of the feminist progress, but that doesn't mean it's a necessary condition for any kind of progress. Ti fail.

    If this is feminism, then pass me the patriarchy, please.
    She'd probably regret saying that, but unfortunately we don't have a time machine to prove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    a) modern women aren't quite interested in marrying
    b) dancing like an asian call girl has gotten socially acceptable
    I think conservatives think that basically kids need a stable environment to grow up in which is the problem they see with it. I'd agree with that, but I think it's more a matter of as we get wealthier we are less interdependent on one another. Historically, though we may not like to admit it, marriage has been an economic institution as well as a social one. As those economic ties become more tenuous the forces they exerted in keeping marriages together are not in force. Now, where I disagree with conservatives is in the idea that we should go back to the old ways. If we did that, it would just create the same repressed emotions in women that existed before. We really just need a whole new way of being where both sexes can be happy and if they desire raise children together in a healthy manner. I think none of us really knows what that is yet so we continue to play our little games with one another until we find someone whose crazy matches our crazy. Of course, some women still are dependent on men and many men are allowing themselves to become dependent on women which strikes me as sad. The people at the top play the same games they've been doing since the dawn of empire, basically exploiting one another for mutual pleasure until that is no longer possible. Humans need to evolve /shrug
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    a) modern women aren't quite interested in marrying
    b) dancing like an asian call girl has gotten socially acceptable
    I think conservatives think that basically kids need a stable environment to grow up in which is the problem they see with it. I'd agree with that, but I think it's more a matter of as we get wealthier we are less interdependent on one another. Historically, though we may not like to admit it, marriage has been an economic institution as well as a social one. As those economic ties become more tenuous the forces they exerted in keeping marriages together are not in force. Now, where I disagree with conservatives is in the idea that we should go back to the old ways. If we did that, it would just create the same repressed emotions in women that existed before. We really just need a whole new way of being where both sexes can be happy and if they desire raise children together in a healthy manner. I think none of us really knows what that is yet so we continue to play our little games with one another until we find someone whose crazy matches our crazy. Of course, some women still are dependent on men and many men are allowing themselves to become dependent on women which strikes me as sad. The people at the top play the same games they've been doing since the dawn of empire, basically exploiting one another for mutual pleasure until that is no longer possible. Humans need to evolve /shrug
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalton
    What feminism is really selling is a woman’s ability to be as sexually emancipated as a randy man, without the risk of having to take a pregnancy to term.
    Herein lies my problem with this article.

    What feminism is really, really selling is a woman's ability to be as (ANYTHING) as a man.

    In a world without legal birth control and abortion, a woman's life can be ruined with one poor decision - and may they amongst us who has never made a poor decision be the first to decry the reluctant mother. It's true that birth control and abortion will never shatter the glass ceiling, but neither will women ever reach equality with men without the ability to escape the biological confines of pregnancy. As time has already shown, "separate but equal" never works because there's no way to quantitatively measure a qualitative difference (ie, there's no objective way to calculate what amount of maternity leave is the right amount).

    I don't disagree that "temporary relationships" have downsides, but the gilded assumption that "marriage" (as defined by who?) is what we should all be aiming for is archaic. In a world with legal birth control and abortion, women can finally test the waters of new patterns of relationships as we have never been able to before. Rosin calls it "hookup culture", which carries a negative connotation, but the truth is that women can now behave as men have behaved for hundreds of years - but it's seen as "unacceptable" to many because it's new. It's just another reincarnation of the "player-and-whore" inequality: the man who sleeps around is congratulated as a "player" while the woman who sleeps around is denounced as a whore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Herein lies my problem with this article.

    What feminism is really, really selling is a woman's ability to be as (ANYTHING) as a man.

    In a world without legal birth control and abortion, a woman's life can be ruined with one poor decision - and may they amongst us who has never made a poor decision be the first to decry the reluctant mother. It's true that birth control and abortion will never shatter the glass ceiling, but neither will women ever reach equality with men without the ability to escape the biological confines of pregnancy. As time has already shown, "separate but equal" never works because there's no way to quantitatively measure a qualitative difference (ie, there's no objective way to calculate what amount of maternity leave is the right amount).

    I don't disagree that "temporary relationships" have downsides, but the gilded assumption that "marriage" (as defined by who?) is what we should all be aiming for is archaic. In a world with legal birth control and abortion, women can finally test the waters of new patterns of relationships as we have never been able to before. Rosin calls it "hookup culture", which carries a negative connotation, but the truth is that women can now behave as men have behaved for hundreds of years - but it's seen as "unacceptable" to many because it's new. It's just another reincarnation of the "player-and-whore" inequality: the man who sleeps around is congratulated as a "player" while the woman who sleeps around is denounced as a whore.
    This.

    Whats interesting to me is how many men will go out looking and/or greatly desiring sex but will in the same breath demean or belittle women who are very promiscuous (and therefore more likely to sex the, thereby granting them the thing that they're after).
    "The man who is swimming against the stream knows the strength of it."
    ― Woodrow Wilson

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    Women are vessels. It's not their whole purpose, but it is one that they've been burdened/blessed with, one that men, definitionally, haven't.
    No escaping it. (As a group...individually, of course).

    Should the world change to accommodate that? Perhaps.

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