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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I was thinking about how the waffen SS was used to put down the brown shirts.

    I support a socialism which has individualism as a final goal and criticises capitalism for making it the preserve of a few, its a little academic because I think other trends have eclipsed socialism and capitalism
    Yes, they certainly seemed to operate along Machiavellian lines in the beginning to put down others struggling for power.

    I was trying to formulate something about your second sentence, but I'll be honest: I've got nothing to add.
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    I think of how an otherwise noble desire to rebuild, gain dignity for one's homeland, and a quest for some kind of purity and link to greatness... can go completely wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    As for intellectualism and egalitarianism, fascism despises both of those. Egalitarianism especially.

    They had welfare in WWII but it wasn't to be kind. It was a way to raise up people who fit the ideal mould. It served the purpose of pulling the desirables out of the trash and helping the nation and economy for the select to benefit from it.

    They didn't do it for egalitarian purposes, because they didn't give a shit about you if you were an immigrant, or of another race.
    Yes, exactly. What I was trying to say is that one of the underlying problems with Fascism is that it considers National pride and being a person of action to be incompatible with intellectualism and egalitarianism. Unfortunately many people seem to believe that today. Example being the stereotypes that all jocks are chauvinist idiots while anyone with brains must be physically weak and ashamed of their country. Both no doubt exist, but there are plenty of people with the good traits of both and plenty with the bad. My only guess is that people tell themselves that crap to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings. Not saying that everyone believes the stereotypes, but I've noticed a lot of people at least partially believe them even if they'll never admit to it. Also I'm not trying to insinuate that anyone who believes in stereotypes is a closet Fascist, just that the same pseudologic is being used.

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    honestly i barely relate the two.

    when i think of nazism, i think of the holocaust and the endless supply of memories from Israel's holocaust day - which is sort of like a memorial day just for the holocaust. so i think of all the holocaust related documentaries and books and discussion groups where i used to play devil's advocate and all the other activities that came with that day every year in school, and then and holocaust survivors taking the stage in the town hall to talk about their memories and loved ones.

    when i think of facism on the other hand, i think of it as a philosophy / government structure with various historical accounts. the fact that nazi's happened to have also being fascist is there, but it's not in anyway prominent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    honestly i barely relate the two.

    when i think of nazism, i think of the holocaust and the endless supply of memories from Israel's holocaust day - which is sort of like a memorial day just for the holocaust. so i think of all the holocaust related documentaries and books and discussion groups where i used to play devil's advocate and all the other activities that came with that day every year in school, and then and holocaust survivors taking the stage in the town hall to talk about their memories and loved ones.
    With all due respect to Jews in those days, focusing on them never helped me in understand what the Nazis were really about. The focus on Jews turns it into a racial tragedy, when it was far worse (Gypsies, mentally ill, sufferers of degenerative diseases, etc.. "Biological enemies" of all kinds that hampered society in Nazi's minds). Their real motivations could almost be traced back to something benign.. something many people ponder on. The quest for purity, the appeal of building on a "clean slate", having an ideal of what one's country should look like. Those are things we still see everyday in people. In the Nazi's case, it branched out into monstrous ways, and beyond issues of race.

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    One of the first things that leaps into my mind when I hear "Nazism" is this song:


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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    With all due respect to Jews in those days, focusing on them never helped me in understand what the Nazis were really about. The focus on Jews turns it into a racial tragedy, when it was far worse (Gypsies, mentally ill, sufferers of degenerative diseases, etc.. "Biological enemies" of all kinds that hampered society in Nazi's minds). Their real motivations could almost be traced back to something benign.. something many people ponder on. The quest for purity, the appeal of building on a "clean slate", having an ideal of what one's country should look like. Those are things we still see everyday in people. In the Nazi's case, it branched out into monstrous ways, and beyond issues of race.
    true, but i was giving my own association of "What do you think when" - i suppose in some ways the concentrated and side-blinded frame says a let about the nazi's then it does about my own culture.

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    Nazism I identify with the particular German historical occurrence. Also for the rare new movement that lives up to the same infamy (though not to the same scale, obviously), like the Golden Dawn in Greece, or one political party in Syria I can't remember, or the bizarre National Bolsheviks (literally Nazi-Communists) in modern Russia. And maybe neo-Nazis and wannabes if I'm thinking about white supremacy.

    Fascism is a general political movement in my mind, but I do identify it with Rome a little bit, maybe partly because of Mussolini, but also because of the word's Latin/Roman origin depicting public enemies' heads paraded down the street on "fasces," i.e. pikes/spears. (If I remember correctly)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    Nazism I identify with the particular German historical occurrence. Also for the rare new movement that lives up to the same infamy (though not to the same scale, obviously), like the Golden Dawn in Greece, or one political party in Syria I can't remember, or the bizarre National Bolsheviks (literally Nazi-Communists) in modern Russia. And maybe neo-Nazis and wannabes if I'm thinking about white supremacy.

    Fascism is a general political movement in my mind, but I do identify it with Rome a little bit, maybe partly because of Mussolini, but also because of the word's Latin/Roman origin depicting public enemies' heads paraded down the street on "fasces," i.e. pikes/spears. (If I remember correctly)
    The National Bolsheviks interested me for a while, or at least their precursor in the form of Francis Yocker (spelling) who if I'm not wrong thought that he could appeal to totalitarian mindsets operating within the Soviet Union following the defeat of the Nazis because he saw the Americans and liberal democracy as the real enemy rather than the communists (major differences to Hitler there who thought terms could be reached with the British and Americans as part of a shared racist or racialised vision).

    Although beneath it all most fascists, nazis, whatever are not much different from one another, its the same character structure at work, reading the various ideological formulations, like Gentile in Italy, sort of amounts to so many rationalisations corresponding to that character structure and its underlying needs.

    Most of the different political components within fascism or nazism can be found elsewhere and most of the time its because fascism or nazism cherry picked from elsewhere in the first place.

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