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    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    As for intellectualism and egalitarianism, fascism despises both of those. Egalitarianism especially.

    They had welfare in WWII but it wasn't to be kind. It was a way to raise up people who fit the ideal mould. It served the purpose of pulling the desirables out of the trash and helping the nation and economy for the select to benefit from it.

    They didn't do it for egalitarian purposes, because they didn't give a shit about you if you were an immigrant, or of another race.
    I'm supposing that by fascism, you're also referring to national socialism.

    In any case, what do you mean by "intellectualism"?

    Let's be honest now: the only Germans who weren't considered "desirables" were the retarded. Point 9 of the NSDAP programme states: "All citizens shall have equal rights and duties."
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    I always have to think of Judge Dredd...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesthete View Post
    I'm supposing that by fascism, you're also referring to national socialism.

    In any case, what do you mean by "intellectualism"?

    Let's be honest now: the only Germans who weren't considered "desirables" were the retarded. Point 9 of the NSDAP programme states: "All citizens shall have equal rights and duties."
    Yeah but the NSDAP programme was largely written by the Strazer (spelling) brothers who were nationalistic and traditionalist conservatives who despised capitalism, but to a greater extent individualism itself, and thought that socialism could be shaped into a short cut back to a premodern economy and sort of medieval society.

    I think they were socialists, of a sort I'm not a big fan of to be honest because I like socialists like GDH Cole who wanted socialism to make good on the promises and vision of Edwardian Liberalism, ie making individualism a reality for all who wanted it.

    I read a book once called Nemesis which was written early on in the superpower conflict which became WW2 which was a commendation of the Strazer vision contra Hitler but Hitler was aware of all this and had them all killed off or neutralised the threat of class struggles during the night of the long knives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I was discussing this with a friend recently and wondered if some of the themes which came up would be reflected by anyone here, I do think that in some ways the words have become simple and simplistic synomyns for authoritarianism, dictatorship and hate driven terror, the whole idea of Godwining threads and Godwin's law reflects the way that its used in that way and CS Lewis in mere christianity gave the word gentleman as an example of how a word can become unmoored from its original, fairly defined, meaning.

    I also think that the majority of people think of those things as historical, from the past and particularly from the second world war era, the regimes that people think of for instance are the axis, particularly Germany and Italy, not Albania (Zog?), Franco's Spain, Peron's Argentina etc. Japan isnt even, usually, considered to be fascist or nazi but something more uniquely Asiatic or Oriental.

    What do you all think?
    I think of Germany and Italy, respectively.

    I do not think Fascism was a good thing at all. Nazism was a lot worse.

    Italian Fascism and German Nazism were altogether different concepts.
    Mussolini did commit crimes in Africa and against homosexuals at home.
    Italy was not a totalitarian country.
    More than 99 per cent of the atrocities in Italy proper were committed during the war by German invaders, when Italy was already an enemy.

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    WWII Japan was a militarist state, not really a fascist one. The closest thing to "fascists" in Japan were suppressed during the Feburary 26 incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah but the NSDAP programme was largely written by the Strazer (spelling) brothers who were nationalistic and traditionalist conservatives who despised capitalism, but to a greater extent individualism itself, and thought that socialism could be shaped into a short cut back to a premodern economy and sort of medieval society.

    I think they were socialists, of a sort I'm not a big fan of to be honest because I like socialists like GDH Cole who wanted socialism to make good on the promises and vision of Edwardian Liberalism, ie making individualism a reality for all who wanted it.

    I read a book once called Nemesis which was written early on in the superpower conflict which became WW2 which was a commendation of the Strazer vision contra Hitler but Hitler was aware of all this and had them all killed off or neutralised the threat of class struggles during the night of the long knives.
    Hmm...I thought the programme was an adaptation of an earlier one - the adaptation being done by Drexler, Feder, Eckart, and Hitler.

    The NSDAP wasn't necessarily anti-individualistic - or were you talking about the Strassers? - but against individualism as an end. I had a quote somewhere, but I can't seem to find it.

    Well, Georg Strasser was assassinated, but his brother, Otto, managed to leave Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesthete View Post
    Hmm...I thought the programme was an adaptation of an earlier one - the adaptation being done by Drexler, Feder, Eckart, and Hitler.

    The NSDAP wasn't necessarily anti-individualistic - or were you talking about the Strassers? - but against individualism as an end. I had a quote somewhere, but I can't seem to find it.

    Well, Georg Strasser was assassinated, but his brother, Otto, managed to leave Germany.
    I was thinking about how the waffen SS was used to put down the brown shirts.

    I support a socialism which has individualism as a final goal and criticises capitalism for making it the preserve of a few, its a little academic because I think other trends have eclipsed socialism and capitalism

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