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    Default Americans - Help take down hate group Westboro Baptist Church.

    I'm tired of hearing about this disturbed, litigious family abusing mourners with their ridiculous picketing antics.

    Sign these petitions. Use the laws they hide behind against them.

    Every little bit helps, yes?

    Petition to legally recognize Westboro Baptist Church as a hate group

    Petition to investigate the IRS Tax-Exempt Status of the Westboro Baptist Church
    "The Westboro Baptist Church is better-known for homophobic displays, suing people and picketing funerals than for providing Christian care to a community. Due to their harassment and politicking, their IRS tax-exempt status should be immediately investigated."

    Pass it along.




    For more insight on the WBC, I recommend giving this a read, sometime:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    For more insight on the WBC, I recommend giving this a read, sometime:
    Addicted To Hate: The Fred Phelps Story
    Assuming it's all true, I'm having trouble even getting through Chapter 2, from the perspective of the kids. None of it is surprising, except the severity seems even worse than I imagined considering that the kids (especially Nate) somehow did not die.

    It's a shame that a family/group like this has been consistently given a national platform. The best ones in that group are disturbed and victimized, the worst are malicious and dangerous.
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    This is a horrible idea. Especially if our determination of what constitutes a hate group is based on what the southern poverty law center thinks. Pfft.

    Handing more power to the federal government to regulate what used to be free assembly is just rife with problems.

    However, I'm not a libertarian and don't think people have an absolute right to be offensive. Localism is the answer. Any town or city should have the right and ability to ban any group they want from protesting in their community and causing problems.
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    If that petition was against the tax-exempt status of all churches, I might have signed it. The first one I would never sign. I also don't think that any group should be designated as a hate groups by the federal government, even if it's just for "tracking" purposes(FBI). If you don't like their politics, ignore them, punch them in the face or, even better, ask your congressman, state legislators, local government to enact ordinances prohibiting protests in the vicinity of a cemetery. Is your intention to have them banned or arrested for having an unpopular opinion and exercising their 1st Amendment rights? Instead of whining about a group you don't like, get involved in political system. In cases like these, following the rule of law and going through the system is better than circumventing the constitution.
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    I saw these on Facebook and could not sign them. The WBC are horrible, no doubt. I don't believe they should be made an exception to the "free assembly" clause though. The KKK has been around a long time and they are about as hateful a group as there is, and I would still fight for their right to free assembly. (Incidentally, even the KKK is counter-protesting the WBC's presence in Newtown.) The WBC seems to have gone so far off the scale of offensive as to be ridiculous- I mean, really, picketing children's funerals? They're just doing this because it gets them attention. I think they'd go away faster if everybody just ignored the shit out of them.

    Ostensibly, I don't have a problem with investigating their tax exempt status, since they seem to exist just to sue people who try to infringe on their rights to be assholes. It seems like a money-making scheme to me, at its heart. Then again I think there are some megachurches that are basically moneymaking schemes too, or political organizations, and I'm uncomfortable with the government getting too involved with making judgments about that. I'd sooner revoke the tax exempt status of churches as a whole than get into legislating what is and is not a church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    The WBC are horrible, no doubt. I don't believe they should be made an exception to the "free assembly" clause though. The KKK has been around a long time and they are about as hateful a group as there is, and I would still fight for their right to free assembly. (Incidentally, even the KKK is counter-protesting the WBC's presence in Newtown.) The WBC seems to have gone so far off the scale of offensive as to be ridiculous- I mean, really, picketing children's funerals? They're just doing this because it gets them attention. I think they'd go away faster if everybody just ignored the shit out of them.

    Ostensibly, I don't have a problem with investigating their tax exempt status, since they seem to exist just to sue people who try to infringe on their rights to be assholes. It seems like a money-making scheme to me, at its heart. Then again I think there are some megachurches that are basically moneymaking schemes too, or political organizations, and I'm uncomfortable with the government getting too involved with making judgments about that. I'd sooner revoke the tax exempt status of churches as a whole than get into legislating what is and is not a church.
    I wholeheartedly agree. I just passed along the two petitions about them that I'd come across, in case they were of interest to anyone else/create discussion. Figured the 1st petition would've been linked here eventually in response, at some point, and that it'd potentially aide in changing their tax-exempt status, if they are no longer recognized as a church..
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    Does Free Assembly include the right to picket a funeral? Aren't there laws about needing to apply for permission for a public gathering, and laws against public order offences?

    (Incidentally, even the KKK is counter-protesting the WBC's presence in Newtown.) The WBC seems to have gone so far off the scale of offensive as to be ridiculous-
    They are basically the "Christian" equivalent of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. The sole purpose of their existence seems to be to redefine the word "jerk" (as you guys call it).

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    I don't think that the US legal system acknowledged hate group as a term. I thought there were a couple of NGOs and a categorization used by enforcement, but that was it.

    Being Canadian, we just banned them (some individuals anyway) from our country. We have it codified though, unlike the US, AFAIK.

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