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    Quote Originally Posted by Otsoga View Post
    They are not totally pointless, since there are some important differences between Democrats and Republicans. The problem is that for a candidate to have a chance to win the election, she or he has to become beholden to corporate interests. The corporations own the most powerful politcians. The corporate agenda takes precedence over the will of the people.
    Part of having a republic for a system of government is to constrain the will of the people, though.
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    When I started this thread two months ago I was total noob. So it did not looked like a good idea to push this thread too far. Since people from the US are majority on this forum. I simply did not want to sound too hostile.
    Since now you know me a little bit better now and I did not loose interest in the topic I will continue.

    My original argument was that problems of US are becoming too big to be solved without some huge changes.
    So I will provide the following video as proof for my claims.


    US Government Immorality Will Lead to Bankruptcy



    My point here is: Who will lead reforms and huge cuts?


    In the case you get first none white president, what can he do about it?
    He is black and the right thing too do is to make many old white people very miserable. He will have too cut many things that make USA what it is.
    Also I don't see how US can maintain its mililtary position if this comes as
    variable in equation.
    If he attempts something you will probably get headlines like
    "President Hussein is destroying America from the inside!"


    On the other side there is McCain who is (insert world).
    Also there is realistic probability that he is a puppet of many interest groups.
    Does this man really have what it takes to prevent catastrophy and cut usage off military for some degree since
    he is a soldier and a patriot?


    Sorry guys and gals, I think that this is not going to work.

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    Well your argument still isn't presented clearly. Are you saying that Americans shouldn't care about their own elections, or that the rest of the world shouldn't care? Or both?

    I would say there are plenty of reasons for Americans to care about their own elections. I'm not sure if other countries should care as much unless Russia starts "getting friendly" with the rest of Europe like it did with Georgia.
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    My point is that both candidates are not good for the job.
    What you should do about it? Well, the only thing you actually can do is to hope that things will turn out right.
    The point of whole thread is just information exchange.


    As for Russia vs Europe it is extremely unlikely. Because that would cause MAD.
    Even without nukes Russia does not have the resources to attack and its economy is very dependent upon EU.

    I have promised to create thread " Will Russia and EU merge with time?" so I will give more details about this there.

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    You are right OP, there is no point in the election , so many in America fall for the same old bullshit either every election or every administration. They absolutely cannot see that America is no longer a country but a corporation. Politicians are bought and paid for by mega global corporations , and this same old bullshit is so old about Democrat vs. Republican or vise versa...they CANNOT see that both parties play us against one another...its divide and conquer. Congress' ratings are at an all time low, they DO NOTHING, the party system is a joke. History shows us that we don’t learn the lessons of power for long. The left cries against crony capitalism. The right cries against the phony socialism, but the big booted lords over us in big government structures don’t care whether they use their left boot or their right boot to stomp on the faces of “unwashed masses”. Big government has 2 boots.And they will always be happy to give us whichever one we want.Big media is always there to frame the false “left-right” arguments so that non-thinking serfs cry to put the left boot into power whenever the right boot comes down on his face too hard, and vice versa.The “left-right” argument is a tactic to divide and conquer the uninformed public and to get us animated in fake arguments against each other but the financiers of every major 20th century war, ON BOTH SIDES, are the same elite clans of people. The same elite clans that lorded over Europe are in power today, sitting behind the printing presses of our fiat currency central banks. They made money on both sides of every major 20th century war and it looks like that trend is set to continue. If that isn’t a clue for Detective Sherlock Holmes, then motive, means and opportunity are meaningless points of discussion. We may as well watch TV and unplug our brains, which is another problem we humans have when it comes to our propensity to self-enslavement. The real fight is not left-right, it is lord-slave. While we are fighting each other with our left-right paradigm, our lords are ruling over us with their lord-slave paradigm. We are in the wrong battles with all these terror wars. The lords engineered the wars. 911 was an inside job.Even TV programming is a clue, just bear witness to the controlled arguments that a controlled consolidated media wants you to hear. There is no money in debating whether two presidential candidates, like George Bush and John Kerry, who are blood related cousins from two elite clans that belong to the same elite secret society should be running against each other. These are all facts, but who knows about them? And who cares? I or anyone can easily prove these facts out.There is no money in debating whether it might be pointless to vote if both left and right want resource wars and open borders and fiat currency and globalism. No, the debates and the money is on the false left-right paradigm arguments, like whether we will raise taxes by 3% or lower them by 3%.In other words, one boot says “relax the chains on our slaves by 3%”. And the other says “no, we need to tighten the chains on our slaves by 3% because they deserve additional security”. And we slaves are voting on which boot has a better idea. False left-right. Real lord-slave. Big government vs real freedom. To me, no other paragraph in the world makes more sense than this one.While you and I argue about marginal tax increases or decreases, they win. While you and I argue about abortion, they win. We argue, they win because they are expanding their reach and control into our lives with RFID chips, biometric cameras everywhere, psychological profiling based upon the channels we watch, this whole credit game is debt-slavery, our tax rates are paramount to slavery today. Even the most brutal kings of yesteryear wouldn’t have dreamed of an effective 60+ percent tax rate. God almighty asks only for 10%, so there is our benchmark for government.If we keep government small, we keep our God-given freedom of choice.While we argue over false arguments, we are distracted from real issues such as: Why do the same elite clan sit behind our central bank printing press, generation after generation, and we fail to audit our Federal Reserve System, and it is untaxed, and they print our money from nothing and give it to their cronies which waters down the wealth that you and I created and hold in our US dollars? Why we allow an group of elite lords to print 5-10% of our money supply every year for free, stealing our wealth is because they are smart enough to use a good part of this money to set up the false debates. And we debate their false debates like a WWF wrestling match, with every bit of excitement deserving of good theater. If we took the power of the printing press away from the elite, and established a verifiable gold standard for our countries, then we would have a chance to be free and these clans would probably have to go and get real jobs instead of using their money to buy favor and instigate us to war for profits on BOTH SIDES OF EVERY WAR.Sadly, we don’t even have time to debate fiat currency because we are way behind on discussing an even bigger and more urgent threat.The elite will remonetize the dollar after it’s certain collapse and we serfs will probably accept whatever currency they give us collectively, as we always do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abhaya View Post
    "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." - Abraham Lincoln
    Can you cite a date, place, occasion?

    I think that's a phony quotation. I have read a great deal of Lincoln and about Lincoln: his mind just didn't work that way. Also, a full-text search for "unnerves" in the Collected Works gets "0 matches in 0 records".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    My point is that both candidates are not good for the job.
    People say that during every election. Why is it different this time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    People say that during every election. Why is it different this time?

    What is different is that sitation is far more serious then it was during last few election.


    If it is true what has been said in that video, some drastic changes will have to be made to prevent even bigger problems.

    What is differnt then 10 years ago?

    1. population is older
    2. problems in local market
    3. dollar which will be hard to get back where it used to be
    4. emotional state of the nation
    5. bigger imigration of uneducated people
    6. I don't see scientific reason why global warming is not real
    7. oil price
    8. oil peak
    9. destroyed New Orleans
    10 . EU which wants to be number one

    I could find more reasons but this is enough.

    Problems are HUGE and state does not even have enough resources to keep the current course if everything stays as it is.

    If you ask me the next president has mission impossible as next president.

    Also I think that both candidates are too weak for the task. So there is a good probability that they will search temporary solutions because that is much easier to do.

    Call me a pessimist but I think that large piece of American public is no even
    psychologically ready for what is coming.

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    EITHER WAY YOUR PLANET IS DOOMED. DOOOOOMED.

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    I doubt there will be any substantial change with either Obama or McCain.

    The bankers control policy, the bankers control who gets elected.
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