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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Well, religious people who are against same-sex marriage still believe the two are different. Race, to them, is unquestionably genetics; meanwhile, same-sex orientation is seen as either originating from a choice OR to be something wrong (as it's a behavior) that people should choose against regardless of their feelings.

    I would actually compare the church's reaction more to how it has traditionally approached psychiatric issues, which have behavioral components. For example, I have a friend who was diagnosed with bipolar later in life -- it ran in his family, but finally appeared in him after he had been through periods of prolonged stress -- and it was difficult for some people in the church not to judge him. (After all, if he had been more trusting in God and had just tried harder and really loved his family, then he wouldn't be behaving the way he was -- at least in their line of thinking.)

    I think if people truly see orientation like race -- just part of genetic or development diversity -- then they're a lot more accepting.
    Time will render all of these 'justifications' irrelevant. The children around today will wonder at our ignorance and lack of understanding and acceptance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    The children around today will wonder at our ignorance and lack of understanding and acceptance.
    I would not say 'our'. They are 5, we are 39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesthete View Post
    Oh, joy; having a child with an unknown donour who you're not even in love with. Do you see the problem?
    I assume you have a problem with sperm donation for single women or heterosexual couples with an infertile man, then? Not to mention adoption, or having children in an abusive or loveless marriage/relationship? All of which are happening right now?

    And, then, if you are correct, I'm certain there's still plenty of ignoble homosexuals just like heterosexuals who ought not have children.
    Sure, "bad" traits exist in both heterosexual and homosexual people. This isn't the place to debate whether licenses should be required to have children - how is this line of reasoning relevant to whether gay marriage should be legalized?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I know about how the law responded to the legal ban on interracial marriage, and indeed, hurray. But I still don't know how the law responded to *churches* who might refuse to marry an interracial couple, or how the law would respond today.
    Well, fwiw, from the same wikipedia article:

    ...after the decision of Loving v. Virginia. Following Loving v. Virginia, The Changing Nature of Interracial Marriage in Georgia: A Research Note states "there was a 448 per cent increase in the number of interracial marriages (from 21 in 1967 to 115 in 1970)" (Aldridge, 1973).
    Now there's nothing there on how many were done at churches vs. down at the city hall, but I'm gonna assume that not all of those new interracial marriages were strictly civil ceremonies. I don't know what might have caused a minister who had previously been against marrying interracial couples be for it except that those couples had the benefit of the law being on their side.

    There's a bit more of a hurdle for gay marriage than there was for interracial marriage as there's doctrinal issues to deal with rather than simply cultural ones. Nonetheless, it's just common sense that there are more churches blessing or marrying gay couples in Massachusets, Washington and New York where the law supports it, than there are in Oklahoma, Texas or Lousiana where it doesn't.

    It's unconsitutional to make any law in respect to religion, but the law can change the culture. And, ultimately, religion is a cultural institution first and foremost. You have enough congregations feeling like they're a bunch of bigots on the wrong side of history, and you'll see how quickly they'll find ways to rationalize the "legitimacy" of gay marriage.
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    Here are the supporters of gay marriage:






    Bouhouhou, poor gays, the state don't want to marry them, the are oppresed and no one accept their difference...I mean, consider they are the same... er... I DON'T KNOW but I will continue my whining









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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    He does porn now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesthete View Post
    Oh, joy; having a child with an unknown donour who you're not even in love with. Do you see the problem?
    Heterosexual women do it all the time. It's nothing new.

    A child isn't automatically better off simply because its parents are a man and a woman who were "in love" while having sex. Do tell, what will happen when the ideal father starts screwing his daughter, putting out his cigar on his son's arm, or getting drunk and beating the hell out of his wife while the children watch? Physical, mental, and emotional abuse in families runs rampant. You'd think people would pay more attention to solving those problems than whining about a gay couple having a child.

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    of course yes! why is this even a question?
    and shame on you to the 5 people that disagreed!

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    Well, I guess that settles that.

    Who knew it would be so easy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    of course yes! why is this even a question?
    and shame on you to the 5 people that disagreed!
    I disagree for two reasons.

    1: Because I have a brain.

    2: Because I use it.


    I will certainly not be shameful for this.
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