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    Quote Originally Posted by bedeviled1 View Post
    It seems obvious to me that the good old USA is in a transition period. The American dream is sadly becoming less of a reality being replaced with rewards for being lazy in exchange for less and less liberty (freedom) which some would unwittingly exchange for support for their beliefs.
    The proposal to raise the age requirement for Medicare from 65 to 67 is a continuation of the undermining of the work ethic in this country. If this doesn't affect you or any of your family or friends it might be easy to disregard. But, when a people starts neglecting its responsibilities to people that have contributed significantly to society they are definately undermining something none of us can afford to lose.
    It's not about being lazy. Prices for medical care are absolutely ridiculous. Oh and if you have a pre-existing condition, then just forget it you will just suffer and won't be treated. I agree that something needs to be done about our medical system, but cutting out all the programs for the poor aren't the answer.

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    FWIW, the elderly are very politically powerful in this country. They vote. That's why you rarely get anyone suggesting reductions to social security or medicare right now. Such suggestions are usually targeted to impact only those 55 and younger.
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    I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but in regards to raising the minimum age on Medicare, the bulk of the increase in life expectancy has occurred amongst the wealthiest members of society, while the benefits of Medicare are primarily needed by the poorest. Increasing the age means taking it away from those who need it most because people who don't use it live longer. This complaint doesn't change the math of the budget, of course, but it's an explanation for why someone might object to that measure.

    For those who are concerned with fairness and equality, cutting Medicare and Medicaid costs by tightening the income eligibility would likely be more palatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but in regards to raising the minimum age on Medicare, the bulk of the increase in life expectancy has occurred amongst the wealthiest members of society, while the benefits of Medicare are primarily needed by the poorest. Increasing the age means taking it away from those who need it most because people who don't use it live longer. This complaint doesn't change the math of the budget, of course, but it's an explanation for why someone might object to that measure.

    For those who are concerned with fairness and equality, cutting Medicare and Medicaid costs by tightening the income eligibility would likely be more palatable.
    Yeah but doesnt means testing for services change them from universal from being universal and possibly supportable by all classes to a poor service for poor services, the principle of less eligibility makes a come back eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Well, I have four kids and I've been poor most of my life. I wouldn't take food out of the mouths of children or the poor to fund medicare. Like Jennifer said, I would rather just get sick and die than force my kids to do without. I'd rather sell a kidney than even have any of my kids take out student loans.
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    I'd cut defense spending and raise taxes on the rich and/or change our labor and trade policies so you couldn't work full-time and still be in poverty unless you had, like, a bazillion kids. Our kids are already going to pay for the Boomers, I don't think they should have to start paying before they are old enough to work via going hungry.
    i would rather die than take food out of my kids or grandkids or mothers mouths. I can absolutely relate to being poor. Yes this is a big problem but i see why more clearly i think. not for cutting defense and think the rich should pay as much tax as anyone else but do you guys really think helping old people would really take food out of your kids mouths. we have an obligation to help the needy whoever they may be. if we do I dont think we will regret it. Penalizing the elderly is not the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bedeviled1 View Post
    i would rather die than take food out of my kids or grandkids or mothers mouths. I can absolutely relate to being poor. Yes this is a big problem but i see why more clearly i think. not for cutting defense and think the rich should pay as much tax as anyone else but do you guys really think helping old people would really take food out of your kids mouths. we have an obligation to help the needy whoever they may be. if we do I dont think we will regret it. Penalizing the elderly is not the answer.
    I don't think anyone has suggested that it was. I think it sounded as though you were suggesting cutting poverty assistance programs in order to fund programs for the elderly. I, personally, am in favor of national healthcare for everyone, a living wage, education and trade/labor reform and progressive taxation. I also wouldn't blink if someone called me a socialist. I don't consider it an insult. FWIW, I would spend more money on the health and welfare of our soldiers and our veterans, but stop with trying to police the whole dang world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    It's not about being lazy. Prices for medical care are absolutely ridiculous. Oh and if you have a pre-existing condition, then just forget it you will just suffer and won't be treated. I agree that something needs to be done about our medical system, but cutting out all the programs for the poor aren't the answer.
    I agree 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I don't think anyone has suggested that it was. I think it sounded as though you were suggesting cutting poverty assistance programs in order to fund programs for the elderly. I, personally, am in favor of national healthcare for everyone, a living wage, education and trade/labor reform and progressive taxation. I also wouldn't blink if someone called me a socialist. I don't consider it an insult. FWIW, I would spend more money on the health and welfare of our soldiers and our veterans, but stop with trying to police the whole dang world.
    I only think that it is much too easy to have more babies and say that the father dont live with you to get a bigger check. I know people that are healthy as a horse that dont have to work. Its all screwed up. all Im saying is that the elderly seem to be the easiest target.
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