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    What do you think about groups like Anonymous and LOLsec? I'm listening to a piece on them playing on Radio 4 at the moment which is interesting, I definitely believe that much of what is considered hacktivism by hackers themselves would appear to border easily upon terrorism, or at the least forms of intimidation, the age profile of many of those involved, teenagers mainly, and a lot of the interviews given by members appear to involve a mass of contradictions, some of them are typical of the "angry young man (or woman I presume)" type but many of them were individuals who simply saw what they were doing as "fun".

    So the same motives behind trolling pop up in hacktivism although it is perhaps more nefarious as there is greater power involved and greater consequences for malicious actions, while a lot of the targets appear impersonal, like corporations or churches, the people immediately effected are in fact individuals.

    I think there are massive questions about legitimacy here, which I believe is the central question with respect of all terrorism, terrorism is a form of struggle aimed at using fear and intimidation to dominate and coerce rather than convince. It is totally illegitimate in contrast to other methods or processes which are thought of as illegitimate when compared to an ideal or perfect measure of legitimacy in an imperfect world or context.

    There are actions which I can understand the public having sympathy with, the hacking and destroying of some pornographic websites and particularly the targetting of peadophiles active online, although on the other hand there are actions which while done under the auspices of resisting oppression, censorship and freedom actually oppress, censor and coerce by denying a platform to opinions which the hackers dont like, such as attacks on websites belonging to the RCC following its refusal to support redefining marriage to reflect minority choices instead of history and heritage.

    You dont need to like those opinions, you dont need to endorse them but surely you need to accept that others are entitled to their opinions. To me it seems the logical consequences of accepting simple maxims such as treating others as you would expect them to treat you in turn but this does not appear to be considered very carefully.

    Some of the main tactics of these groups, such as the theft of data comprising personal details and information in order to cause share devaluations when announcements are made about security breeches, make the name of their organisations seem ironic. Sort of like "We are anonymous, and the only people with a right to be".

    These topics interest me a lot because I remember reading about the history of phrecking, black hats and white hats, hacking from back in the day of the movie Wargames or the Commodore and Spectrum games Hacker and Hacker2, although I doubt that any of those currently involved with these groups would be familiar with those sources really. They also remind me of some of the debates in the protest scene in the later ninties and early noughts, particularly about black blocs and organising in line with anarchist, leaderless, post-modern principles. I'm also interested, as I've posted before in the reciprocity between online and in person behaviour and the consequences too, including culturally and publically (publically comprising political life but also social life too). Does anyone have a view on this or is this something its even safe to discuss without running the risk of becoming a target for hackers?

    Its fine this this topic shouldnt be discussed because its only going to attract hackers or nuisance for the site.

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    I think they suck. Now these guys were something special.


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    They aren't organizations. They are flocks or mobs. Or a horde.

    It's like if you're with a million hungry people and you spot food and you shout "FOOOOD HERE!" of course everyone is going to go for it. You're not their leader and they aren't any kind of organized, and you probably don't even know them or care.

    That's how this stuff usually works. Some times a few people get together and plan something but often times it's just "Here's some info. Use it how you like (and I know how you will use it *wink wink*)"

    And thus Anonymous speaks out. Not because they are directed to. Not because they believe in anything in particular. But because enough of them just felt like doing it.

    And no. They probably don't care about a place like this.

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    Also groups like LulzSec might only consist of maybe a half dozen core members connected to faceless contacts, which might be just people who want to be associated with the group or just random people that are fomented as kind of pawns in a way. They know that there's people out there who want to hack, vandalize, and just cause trouble in general so if they want a target to be hit, all they have to do is give out info and let these people be their predictable selves.

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    I do think its a mob.

    That's a good way of defining it and I think the politics are mob politics too, that article on the radio I was listening to was really random, it had one guy talking, as though he had a mandate and it was obvious, about attacking the RCC in scotland because of their stand against gay "marriage" but then minutes later they talked about someone represented as the same group attacking the free availability of abortion and have stolen the details of women using an abortion service, then two seperate individuals interviewed saying that they one or another of those previous reports were actions by infiltrators or impostuers attempting to discredit them.

    I just thought, well, that's a proper mess, it is a mob and they are full of contradictions and extremism.

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    @Lark , please refrain from using the T word. It is offensive to tack on the T word when it has been that way pretty much close to when the WWW started.

    Hacking has always occurred since the WWW started and Viruses have been sent back and forth shortly after the WWW was created. To avoid this fact is to avoid the whole issue completely. The only difference between now and before is that it has been given more attention. What gives more attention = more fearmongering. That is how you get the U.S. straight up in the Middle East. In fact, I'd say the *"people" who sent Flame and Stuxnet is more dangerous than anonymous or lulsec. Anonmymous and lulsec are just child's play compared to what really can occur.

    * - *cough*, you'd need to look for that information yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    @Lark Anonmymous and lulsec are just child's play compared to what really can do
    I agree

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    +1/pro

    They're hilarious and they piss off the power hierarchy retards who don't know how to defend themselves. Better build quantum encryption boys haha
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    In addition to that, not all activist groups agree on methods. LulzSec for example was taken down with the assistance of other hackers who didn't approve of their lawless methods which would put thousands of accounts at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    @Lark , please refrain from using the T word. It is offensive to tack on the T word when it has been that way pretty much close to when the WWW started.

    Hacking has always occurred since the WWW started and Viruses have been sent back and forth shortly after the WWW was created. To avoid this fact is to avoid the whole issue completely. The only difference between now and before is that it has been given more attention. What gives more attention = more fearmongering. That is how you get the U.S. straight up in the Middle East. In fact, I'd say the *"people" who sent Flame and Stuxnet is more dangerous than anonymous or lulsec. Anonmymous and lulsec are just child's play compared to what really can occur.

    * - *cough*, you'd need to look for that information yourself.
    Dont care if its offensive, its my opinion and there's grounds for making the connection.

    The prescence of greater evils doesnt nullify the nature of what I'm talking about either, that sort of diversion tactic is pretty much a derail, relativistic thinking like that prevents any real thinking at all because there will always be a greater or different threat.

    It has always been around but now it is organising with a platform for which there is presumed legitimacy and popular mandate. That is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    +1/pro

    They're hilarious and they piss off the power hierarchy retards who don't know how to defend themselves. Better build quantum encryption boys haha
    I know you dont identify with this power hierarchy do you think it protects you? You're safe from becoming collateral damage?

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