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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Do his methods reduce recidivism?
    This is my main concern, along with ethical dilemmas this poses for people that may not deserve such harsh treatment. It's only a matter of time until some poor (pun intended) schmuck who lands in Arpaio's jail for failure to pay fines dies of heat stroke or something drastic. Of course, there's also the likelihood that a good number of people landed in his jail for failure to pay some sort of fine(s), where they probably end up doing enough labor to pay for said fines, have to pay for meals...and end up back out of jail with both them and society worse off than when they went in.

    Like I said, a lot of things to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelchairdoug View Post
    This is my main concern, along with ethical dilemmas this poses for people that may not deserve such harsh treatment. It's only a matter of time until some poor (pun intended) schmuck who lands in Arpaio's jail for failure to pay fines dies of heat stroke or something drastic. Of course, there's also the likelihood that a good number of people landed in his jail for failure to pay some sort of fine(s), where they probably end up doing enough labor to pay for said fines, have to pay for meals...and end up back out of jail with both them and society worse off than when they went in.

    Like I said, a lot of things to consider.
    Actually, I'm glad you said this, because this issue is part of why my opinion apparently seems so harsh. I actually have little problem with jails being like the one in question. However, I don't think that such crimes should result in jail-time. I believe that this issue should lie outside of the jail, I don't think people like that should be there in the first place. (Sorry if my thoughts are kind of difficult to follow.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    Yes, but the correctly proportionate punishment is subjective.
    give me a demonstration, example. offer it up. do you mean like smoking pot would warrent death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    Actually, I'm glad you said this, because this issue is part of why my opinion apparently seems so harsh. I actually have little problem with jails being like the one in question. However, I don't think that such crimes should result in jail-time. I believe that this issue should lie outside of the jail, I don't think people like that should be there in the first place. (Sorry if my thoughts are kind of difficult to follow.)
    sounds like you are still cracking ground on this issue.

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    Look at all the things he's currently being sued for. It's a laundry list of corruption.

    The guy also has his employees toss childhood incest rape cases with clear DNA evidence rather than taking the time to deal with child molesters because it doesn't make him money. He's a terrible human.

    Finally, he owns lots and lots of expensive AZ properties far beyond what he could possibly hope to pay for with his civil servant salary (i.e. all the evidence points toward passing laws to make $ under the table). His open comfort with flashing how much he is corrupt is disgusting.


    Failure to investigate sex crimes
    During a three-year period ending in 2007, more than 400 sex-crimes reported to Arpaio's office were inadequately investigated, or not investigated at all. While providing police services for El Mirage, Arizona, the MCSO under Arpaio failed to follow-through on at least 32 reported child molestations, even though the suspects were known in all but six cases. Many of the victims were children of illegal immigrants.[69][73]
    An Internal Affairs investigation has been underway for four years, since 2008. The Sheriff's Office refuses to release any of its findings.
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    so it sounds like he believes. anythings crrappy that happens in jail to you, is deserved because you should not even be in jail in the first place.

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    The guy is an international celebrity. I have seen several reports about him over the years ... on German national television.

    Need I say they weren't very favorable?
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    This guy was in a documentary late night on UK TV and it was very, very hard to argue with his logic and he was prepared to go and talk to the inmates, any of them, and discuss the reasons why they were there and what they could do to avoid coming back and there was no ambiguity or mixed message confusion about what he was saying which I thought was a very, very good thing given that all the inmates he was speaking to appeared to have poor reasoning, good rationalising/self-excusing skills.

    I really have to say that I agree with the principle of less eligibility that is in his statement about prisoners enjoying at tax payer expense many things which tax payers can not afford for themselves. How do you argue with that?

    I dont believe that prisoners should be treated cruelly or inhumanely or tortured but none of that appears to be happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasoline View Post
    give me a demonstration, example. offer it up. do you mean like smoking pot would warrant death?
    No, that's not what I mean. I can't give a demonstration, because it differs for every crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasoline View Post
    sounds like you are still cracking ground on this issue.
    Sort of, but not quite. I just have significant difficulty organizing my thoughts in a coherent manner. I kind of think in concepts, so when put into words they often lose something.

    After some additional thought, I believe that my opinion on this can be crudely summarized as: I have no problem with this, as long as it works, because any problems I can see lie with the system that put the people in prison, not the prison itself.
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