Actually, I didn't change my mind at all. Do I really seem that capricious? Like @SilkRoad said, I have been of the same opinion all along. I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I was anti-Palestinian, as that was not my intention. I have tried to show my ambivalence on the issues and that it is a complex situation with no clear "goodies and badies". I suppose it's possible you believed I was being disingenuous earlier, when I said that I sympathised with the Palestinians and their suffering, but I assure this is not the case. I realise I have spent more time defending the Israelis in this thread but this is merely an attempt to play devil's advocate and create a balanced discussion. I have had similar debates in the past IRL and have been accused of being anti-Israel, pro-terrorism, and even anti-Semetic once - all of which are totally incorrect and unfair.
I realise that sometimes Fi-users register more passion in their arguments when they're disagreeing, and that people often mistake this for negativity or extreme partiality. But please understand that this is done to create a sense of clarity and/or complexity around an issue, and not because I'm being obnoxious or do not appreciate other perspectives. Perhaps if you went back and read through what I have written, you would think better of me - or not.
I'm glad the UN vote went through. I'm also glad NZ didn't oppose or abstain (I was wrongly informed by someone we did and was initially angry and embarrassed). I'm pissed off that Netanyahu responded by announcing large scale development in the West Bank. It's a giant F-You to the UN and the peace process.
Full articleIsrael moves to build 3,000 new settlement homes
By ARON HELLER and KARIN LAUB | Associated Press – 2 hrs 51 mins ago
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel responded swiftly Friday to U.N. recognition of a Palestinian state, revealing it will build 3,000 more homes for Jews on Israeli-occupied lands that the world body overwhelmingly said belong to the Palestinians.
The plans also include future construction in a strategic area of the West Bank where critics have long warned that Jewish settlements would kill hopes for a viable Palestinian state.
Israel's moves served as a harsh reminder to Palestinians — euphoric over the U.N. upgrade — that while they now have a state on paper, most of it remains very much under Israeli control.
"This is a doomsday scenario," Daniel Seidemann of Ir Amim, a group that promotes coexistence in Jerusalem, said of the building plans.
Israel's decision was bound to embarrass the United States, which was among just nine countries in the 193-member General Assembly to vote against accepting Palestine as a nonmember observer state.
Accelerated settlement construction could also set a more confrontational tone as Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas weighs his next moves.
BTW this is actually a vaguely balanced article. While, it's critical of Israel's actions, it shows that not all Israelis support the move - including Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni.