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    Why is not voting such a faux pas in the US?

    I knew Obama would win the election in February, not to mention that he was obviously going to win in my state (Washington)... even if I wanted Romney to win, why should I vote? My vote literally would count for nothing.

    "But every vote counts!" Wrong. 50% of the majority votes plus ONE on a state-by-state basis count, so technically only 50 votes counts in the sense that it is a deciding factor. Anything beyond that is unnecessary, and on the flip-side, any loss by more than one vote are irrelevant as well.



    Now, this does mean that every vote counts towards what 50% is and which vote will be the winning vote, but assuming I could not have known for certain Obama would win, even so, in a state like mine there really is no point to obsess over whether or not INDIVIDUALS vote. Do you agree? Why or why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvidenceOfRedemption View Post
    Why is not voting such a faux pas in the US?

    I knew Obama would win the election in February, not to mention that he was obviously going to win in my state (Washington)... even if I wanted Romney to win, why should I vote? My vote literally would count for nothing.

    "But every vote counts!" Wrong. 50% of the majority votes plus ONE on a state-by-state basis count, so technically only 50 votes counts in the sense that it is a deciding factor. Anything beyond that is unnecessary, and on the flip-side, any loss by more than one vote are irrelevant as well.



    Now, this does mean that every vote counts towards what 50% is and which vote will be the winning vote, but assuming I could not have known for certain Obama would win, even so, in a state like mine there really is no point to obsess over whether or not INDIVIDUALS vote. Do you agree? Why or why not?
    i live in washington state. you did the right thing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvidenceOfRedemption View Post
    Why is not voting such a faux pas in the US?

    I knew Obama would win the election in February, not to mention that he was obviously going to win in my state (Washington)... even if I wanted Romney to win, why should I vote? My vote literally would count for nothing.

    "But every vote counts!" Wrong. 50% of the majority votes plus ONE on a state-by-state basis count, so technically only 50 votes counts in the sense that it is a deciding factor. Anything beyond that is unnecessary, and on the flip-side, any loss by more than one vote are irrelevant as well.



    Now, this does mean that every vote counts towards what 50% is and which vote will be the winning vote, but assuming I could not have known for certain Obama would win, even so, in a state like mine there really is no point to obsess over whether or not INDIVIDUALS vote. Do you agree? Why or why not?
    It's probably more an attitude thing than a pragmatic thing. No, your vote wasn't likely to matter (although occasionally it does, like in Florida in 2000). But people just see it as part of civic duty and taking pride in your country. It's less about whether your vote is the decisive vote and more about wanting to vote because you love the USA and support the election process.

    Plus, if a lot of people didn't vote because they didn't feel their vote mattered, it could actually impact the process. And if half the drops in the ocean decided they didn't matter, the ocean would be half as big. Blah blah blah. Etc.
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    Because people like to use it as social capital. Hence the "I voted" stickers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvidenceOfRedemption View Post
    Why is not voting such a faux pas in the US?

    I knew Obama would win the election in February, not to mention that he was obviously going to win in my state (Washington)... even if I wanted Romney to win, why should I vote? My vote literally would count for nothing.

    "But every vote counts!" Wrong. 50% of the majority votes plus ONE on a state-by-state basis count, so technically only 50 votes counts in the sense that it is a deciding factor. Anything beyond that is unnecessary, and on the flip-side, any loss by more than one vote are irrelevant as well.



    Now, this does mean that every vote counts towards what 50% is and which vote will be the winning vote, but assuming I could not have known for certain Obama would win, even so, in a state like mine there really is no point to obsess over whether or not INDIVIDUALS vote. Do you agree? Why or why not?
    The presidential election wasn't the only thing on the ballot. What's ironic is many people care more about voting in presidential elections more than anything else, yet that's where their votes have the least impact.
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    That's the most hilarious part. A dunce with an "I voted" sticker getting uppity about it, but when you ask they're like, "what's prop 2 again?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvidenceOfRedemption View Post
    Why is not voting such a faux pas in the US?

    I knew Obama would win the election in February, not to mention that he was obviously going to win in my state (Washington)... even if I wanted Romney to win, why should I vote? My vote literally would count for nothing.

    "But every vote counts!" Wrong. 50% of the majority votes plus ONE on a state-by-state basis count, so technically only 50 votes counts in the sense that it is a deciding factor. Anything beyond that is unnecessary, and on the flip-side, any loss by more than one vote are irrelevant as well.



    Now, this does mean that every vote counts towards what 50% is and which vote will be the winning vote, but assuming I could not have known for certain Obama would win, even so, in a state like mine there really is no point to obsess over whether or not INDIVIDUALS vote. Do you agree? Why or why not?

    Lexicon has already stated this, but voting goes far beyond the presidency.


    Also, what if everyone thought how you do?


    Also also, watch George Carlin explain why he doesn't vote so you can feel a little guilt for using this argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    That's the most hilarious part. A dunce with an "I voted" sticker getting uppity about it, but when you ask they're like, "what's prop 2 again?"
    I don't think most Americans actually believe in the democracy. We're taught to believe it's the greatest system of government, but I think most Americans are actually monarchists. They just want the monarch to be the guy they like.
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    And then we get this craziness:

    Arizona woman runs down husband with car for not voting: police

    PHOENIX (Reuters) - An Arizona woman, in despair at the re-election of Democratic President Barack Obama, ran down her husband with the family car in suburban Phoenix on Saturday because he failed to vote in the election, police said on Monday.

    Holly Solomon, 28, was arrested after running over husband Daniel Solomon following a wild chase that left him pinned underneath the vehicle.

    Daniel Solomon, 36, was in critical condition at a local hospital, but is expected to survive, Gilbert police spokesman Sergeant Jesse Sanger said.

    Police said Daniel Solomon told them his wife became angry over his "lack of voter participation" in last Tuesday's presidential election and believed her family would face hardship as a result of Obama winning another term.

    Witnesses reported the argument broke out on Saturday morning in a parking lot and escalated. Mrs Solomon then chased her husband around the lot with the car, yelling at him as he tried to hide behind a light pole, police said. He was struck after attempting to flee to a nearby street.

    Obama won the national election with 332 electoral votes compared with 206 for Republican challenger Mitt Romney. Arizona's 11 electoral votes were won by Romney.
    Yes, there's lots of weird expectations about voting here -- especially since Romney won her state anyway. In this case, his not voting seems like she perceived it as a betrayal of their marriage... or at least became a focal point about her general anxieties about life.
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    Before WWI they brought democracy to the german military monarchy and allowed seats in the parliament for every vote the people got. That lead to even the garden plot party acquiring seats in the parliament, leaving it totally incapable to decide on anything.

    I dont think the american 2 party system is too good as well. Especially this electoral colleague thing, where half of the votes in a state are basically lost, I dont think is so good long term. What would be better would be a chance for new parties to form and rise, so new people - which at least at the beginning are somewhat untouched by lobbies - could come into the country with new ideas.
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