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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Uhhhhh... the two states that you mentioned in the post you made that I quoted up above?

    I just wanted a definition for a "donor" state vs a "welfare" state. No charts necessary.
    A donor state gives more federal tax dollars than it receives in federal aid and funding. A welfare state does the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Uhhhhh... the two states that you mentioned in the post you made that I quoted up above?

    I just wanted a definition for a "donor" state vs a "welfare" state. No charts necessary.
    Welfare has more federal spending than tax income
    Donor has less less federal spending than tax income

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I think Florida and Texas either run even or are just barely donor states and the rest are welfare states.
    You're correct, actually. In 2005, they both just barely broke even with Texas and Florida with both at ~.90 federal spending per dollar of tax revenue generated.

    From the Tax Foundation:




    This is a slightly more recent one from 2009 from the Economist. At this point, Flordia is no longer a donor state.



    The point is the majority of those states, however, are decidedly not in the donor category. We would without question be growing the pie by more than we'd be shrinking it if we just cut these idiots loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    A donor state gives more federal tax dollars than it receives in federal aid and funding. A welfare state does the opposite.
    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Welfare has more federal spending than tax income
    Donor has less less federal spending than tax income
    Great, thanks! (see, it was a basic question. )
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    Another bummer of a thread...

    Just because some people in a particular state are signing a petition doesn't mean that everyone in that state wants to secede or even most people. Saying "good riddance" to an entire state is, in effect, turning our back on fellow Americans who rely on federal aid and infrastructure. That, to me, is the opposite of liberal-minded thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Another bummer of a thread...

    Just because some people in a particular state are signing a petition doesn't mean that everyone in that state wants to secede or even most people. Saying "good riddance" to an entire state is, in effect, turning our back on fellow Americans who rely on federal aid and infrastructure. That, to me, is the opposite of liberal-minded thinking.
    Along with that, I also wouldn't call it "States wanting to secede." These are not the political leaders of the state in a position to make any kind of decision like that, it's not a lot different than just the "Petitions" that go around on the Internet all the time. These are not really formal requestions by the actual governing body who could vote to secede for that state. It's just disgruntled voters who happen to live in twenty different states.
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