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    http://now.msn.com/15-states-start-p...-leave-the-usa

    Let's file for other states to secede!

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    It's apparently up to 20 states, although it's getting far more coverage this year because the media needs news, I suppose. Idiots. It's not like it hasn't happened before.

    But I think the Texans really are crazy:

    Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

    "We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...190210006.html
    Well, aside from them leaving. Maybe it would be good not to deal with this craziness each four years.

    I don't have a link to the guy's letter, but this link has more excerpts.
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ref=fpnewsfeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle View Post
    There are quite a few states that I wouldn't miss if they decided to GTFO...
    So, just for grins, I thought it'd be interesting to compare the list of seceding states to 2011's biggest federal aid recipients. Naturally, six of the top ten aid recipients have petitions circulating right now. These include

    • North Dakota ($8.69 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • Mississippi ($39.14 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • South Carolina ($77.05 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • Louisiana ($137.77 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • Texas ($294 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • Florida ($577 Billion Received in Federal Spending)


    Now if I were smarter and more motivated I'd have included some kind of comparison of aid received with tax revenue generated to see what the off-set is. But still, the point remains that those states seceding would free up a little more than a trillion dollars in the budget. I mean, obviously the integrity of the Union is a big deal and all, but maybe we should take a long think about this before we try to make them stay. Just sayin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind-Up Rex View Post
    Now if I were smarter and more motivated I'd have included some kind of comparison of aid received with tax revenue generated to see what the off-set is. But still, the point remains that those states seceding would free up a little more than a trillion dollars in the budget. I mean, obviously the integrity of the Union is a big deal and all, but maybe we should take a long think about this before we try to make them stay. Just sayin.
    That's actually pretty amusing.

    Obama: "Well, I figured out a way to cut the budget WAAAAy down. Plus how to pay for the programs I think we need to fund. Better yet, we're pretty much ensured of a Democratic president for the next, oh, 50 years."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind-Up Rex View Post
    So, just for grins, I thought it'd be interesting to compare the list of seceding states to 2011's biggest federal aid recipients. Naturally, six of the top ten aid recipients have petitions circulating right now. These include

    • Texas ($294 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • North Dakota ($8.69 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • Mississippi ($39.14 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • South Carolina ($77.05 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • Louisiana ($137.77 Billion Received in Federal Spending)
    • Florida ($577 Billion Received in Federal Spending)


    Now if I were smarter and more motivated I'd have included some kind of comparison of aid received with tax revenue generated to see what the off-set is. But still, the point remains that those states seceding would free up a little more than a trillion dollars in the budget. I mean, obviously the integrity of the Union is a big deal and all, but maybe we should take a long think about this before we try to make them stay. Just sayin.
    I think Florida and Texas either run even or are just barely donor states and the rest are welfare states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I think Florida and Texas either run even or are just barely donor states and the rest are welfare states.
    What's the difference between the two?

    (As it is, Texas and Florida are in the top money amount in that list.)
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    I say let them go. Louisiana wouldn't last one year on it's own. They would not be able to handle any natural disasters (hurricanes!) without federal aid, nor could they manage welfare of other gov't programs for the poor or needy (including unemployment), because they have no money. It would be a disaster.
    Ironically, their secession will prove that the federal government is necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What's the difference between the two?

    (As it is, Texas and Florida are in the top money amount in that list.)
    I don't know what two you'r referring to but here is a chart that's a bit dated that might help.

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    I like Texas' wording:
    The U.S. continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the U.S. suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect its citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.
    "Etc"? In a formal proposal?

    Yeah, that just lifts the level of conversation right there.

    Also, they are balancing their budget by doing crazy things like this:

    Some Democrats hoped for a special session to restore some of the $4 billion cut from public schools, but Republicans were uninterested.[12] Gov. Rick Perry said on Feb. 21, 2012, that he would not call a special session to address education funding.[13]

    The budget uses an accounting shift that delays a $2.3 billion payment owed to public schools in 2012-2013 by one day so that a bill is not due until 2014, thereby going into the next budget. The budget also assumes there will be no growth in the number of school children in Texas, even though it is one of the fastest-growing states in the nation. Critics say the state will short school districts $2 billion that way.[1]

    K-12 education funding was cut by $4 billion. About 7,000 schools have been granted waivers to legally raise class size above the maximum 22 mandated in grades K-4, a three-fold increase from last year.[14]

    More than 300 school districts are suing the state, hoping the courts will declare the cuts and the school funding formula in Texas unconstitutional.[14]

    Read more: http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/...#ixzz2C7c4hnWB
    True, some of their stats of being at the bottom of the pile in terms of educational issues in the USA is occurring because of poverty issues as well as the influx of uneducated immigrants; but it's still not a great situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I don't know what two you'r referring to but here is a chart that's a bit dated that might help.
    Uhhhhh... the two states that you mentioned in the post you made that I quoted up above?

    I just wanted a definition for a "donor" state vs a "welfare" state. No charts necessary.
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