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    Default The future of the Republican party

    I know it's early, but things are not looking good. As I suspected, many conservatives are claiming the reason they lost this election is because they weren't conservative enough, while others (the few reasonable Republicans who are left) are claiming the opposite. This is going to be an interesting story to watch develop. I personally hope the religious nuts and the xenophobes break off to form another party, leaving the Republican with just the moderates. I think a move like that would actually help bring a lot of people who have left the party over the last decade or so back. But I'm not crossing my fingers. Power is seductive and the extremists still have a lot of power at the state level (30 governors).
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    Is Glenn Beck normally this crazy?

    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    I was 12/13 years old in 2000, wishing John McCain won against Bush for the head of the Republican Party.... Then in 2008 I saw him again and was like
    "Damn, now I want Obama to win."
    I know the timing's all wrong and alas, the time has passed but, I'd still like to see McCain as the next Republican president. I prefer McCain to Romney anyday, but I still find it hard to forgive them for President George W. Bush.


    Nonetheless, I do love this video so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Is Glenn Beck normally this crazy?
    Yes....yes he is (I didn't need to watch it).

    I pretty much already said my piece about the xenophobes in the other thread. As for the religious crazies (though I suspect my definition is a bit narrower than yours), I'm not sure that the electoral pressure is there yet; todd Akin and Mourdock were disastrous, but it mostly only affected their prospects and generally did not carry over onto Romney, even within the states in question-according to adjusted exit polls, Romney actually carried white women by a substantial margin nationwide, and hispanics who voted for bush but not for McCain or Romney are likely to feel alienated for entirely different reasons if the GOP is too heavy-handed about reigning in the influence of religious conservatives (particularly over the subject of abortion) in an attempt to weed out candidates like Akin or O'donnel.

    Edit: I think a good way to gradually weed out such candidates woud be for states to adopt California's new primary system, in which the top two primary candidates (from any party) compete against each other in the general election; this often leads to candidates from the same party in deeply red or blue districts competing against each other for votes from the opposite side of the political divide, instead of just partisans and swing voters. In theory, this should preserve everything good about the primary system while reversing its tendency to favor ideological hard-liners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post

    Edit: I think a good way to gradually weed out such candidates woud be for states to adopt California's new primary system, in which the top two primary candidates (from any party) compete against each other in the general election; this often leads to candidates from the same party in deeply red or blue districts competing against each other for votes from the opposite side of the political divide, instead of just partisans and swing voters. In theory, this should preserve everything good about the primary system while reversing its tendency to favor ideological hard-liners.
    Yea except... CA really only has one party. One giant union owned party. It seriously seriously does not matter what color they claim, they are all union owned, and they all do the same things.

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    People keep on saying this...but he was the first black president of the United States. In what world was he ever going to lose? Just think about it a bit, he represented a turning point...it's obvious that he'd get as much time as is allowable to prove himself.

    Four more years and he's out...Glenn Beck talking about "buy guns and farm land" is acting like like he'll be the president for life. He won't be...

    People need to take a chill pill...may I suggest moving to Colorado? It's legal there now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Yes....yes he is (I didn't need to watch it).
    He's doing nothing, but changing everything!

    I pretty much already said my piece about the xenophobes in the other thread. As for the religious crazies (though I suspect my definition is a bit narrower than yours), I'm not sure that the electoral pressure is there yet; todd Akin and Mourdock were disastrous, but it mostly only affected their prospects and generally did not carry over onto Romney, even within the states in question-according to adjusted exit polls, Romney actually carried white women by a substantial margin nationwide, and hispanics who voted for bush but not for McCain or Romney are likely to feel alienated for entirely different reasons if the GOP is too heavy-handed about reigning in the influence of religious conservatives (particularly over the subject of abortion) in an attempt to weed out candidates like Akin or O'donnel.
    I agree with this for the most part. The extreme social conservatives are going to look at Akin and Mourdock as failures of presentation rather than failures of ideology. If Republicans think getting the white woman vote, alone, can save their party, nationally, they're going to get crushed in 2016. I've heard many Republicans say that the natural place for Hispanics is the Republican party, and that the only thing they need to fix is their immigration policy. I just don't buy it. While most Hispanics are Christian, they're not as socially conservative as whites, as a group (for example, a higher percentage of Hispanics are pro-choice). I think the Republican party is going to have to do quite a bit more than just fix their immigration policy if they want to be competitive in the 2016 presidential election, much less win. They're going to have to moderate on social conservative issues, and I just don't see it happening.

    Edit: I think a good way to gradually weed out such candidates woud be for states to adopt California's new primary system, in which the top two primary candidates (from any party) compete against each other in the general election; this often leads to candidates from the same party in deeply red or blue districts competing against each other for votes from the opposite side of the political divide, instead of just partisans and swing voters. In theory, this should preserve everything good about the primary system while reversing its tendency to favor ideological hard-liners.
    I don't like California's primary system. It keeps out third party candidates. If they expanded it to the top 3 or 4 candidates, regardless of party, that would be better.
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    We're going to be fine.

    More to the point, I would think it would be more appropriate for a Republican to start this discussion.

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    Socialistically speaking, the worst we could do is end up like Canada, and they're pretty stable. I think the future of the republican party is to crack under the pressure of Obama's success then reform on a more substantial issue base than they have stood on the in the past.

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    I've heard the point made by various sources that one of the most striking things about this election was how strongly things seemed to break down racial lines. Obama's campaign was able to effectively cultivate damn near every demographic that didn't consist of angry white men: Latinos, blacks, women, gays, young people ect. I mean, if voting Democrat becomes as culturally entrenched in the Latino community as it has in the African-American community the spectre of another Republican president becomes fainter all the time.

    I feel the real tragedy of this election cycle for the GOP is the fact that if you look at his actual record and not some of the things he spouted off during the primary, Mitt Romney was just the kind of moderate that you could potentially build a coalition around. There were some missteps in his campaign, but they had the right guy at the right moment. The flip-flopping that Romney did while he was campaigning is less indicative to me of political opportunism on his part, and more emblematic of the dysfunction within his own party. I don't think that what's called for here is some sort of abandoment of the existing party platform--there's a place for conservatism in this country. What's needed and what frankly has been needed since McCain lost in '08 is a kind of inner reconciliation that would permit more than its current reactionary stance. The Republicans need to be more than the party of "No" if they want to remain relevant. This is more speculative, but I feel that the more libertarian elements of the party are its most energized and interesting. If it were me, I'd move towards that and away from the evangelicals.
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