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    I question whether Americans will be willing to elect another Bush in living memory of the previous one. I mean, this is after an election where exit polls showed a majority of Americans blame the current economics problems on G.W.
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    As do I, but it doesn't mean Jeb is not a great man, and wouldn't make a good President.

    Americans are also wrong in their assessment, and I have a feeling it will slowly recede in time.

    Bush II was an awful President, imo, but the causes of the economic crisis go so much further back.

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    I think the biggest problem the GOP has is that even among whites it seems that increased urbanization leads to increased liberal stance on social issues and a desire for "socialism" as urban areas are affected by income inequality disproportionately so it is a reality that the average person in such areas has to deal with on a daily basis and so people begin demanding increased social services. I can't think of a single first world country in which population per square mile above say 300-400 isn't tied with more progressive values. It seems to be a part of the natural evolution of cities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    I think the biggest problem the GOP has is that even among whites it seems that increased urbanization leads to increased liberal stance on social issues and a desire for "socialism" as urban areas are affected by income inequality disproportionately so it is a reality that the average person in such areas has to deal with on a daily basis and so people begin demanding increased social services. I can't think of a single first world country in which population per square mile above say 300-400 isn't tied with more progressive values. It seems to be a part of the natural evolution of cities.
    It's not just more income inequaity. Basically, the more people you smash together in one place, the more coordination it requires, and coordination of this sort typically comes from government. Likewise people in cities are forced to deal with more diversity, so there's also an element of social liberalism involved, too.
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    ^^ Agreed.

    I just think this points to the future of the Republican Party, not to its demise (and, frankly, it's a future I welcome).

    I think this election has effectively broken the party's back, and will require something new to come from it.

    I think/hope this election will force them to realize they need to drop/dial back the social conservatism.

    I likewise think/hope this election will force them to drop their hostile stance on immigration reform.

    I even think they're going to have to learn to be less reactionarily anti-positive liberty.

    It points to a more moderate, inclusive, intelligent future for the party.

    And, while that's a lot of change, I do think it can be done.

    And will be for the betterment of the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    It's not just more income inequaity. Basically, the more people you smash together in one place, the more coordination it requires, and coordination of this sort typically comes from government. Likewise people in cities are forced to deal with more diversity, so there's also an element of social liberalism involved, too.
    There is a big problem worldwide where the professional class in the world's major cities attracts low skilled workers to provide services which leads to wage deflation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    ^ Agreed.

    I just think this points to the future of the Republican Party.

    I think this election has effectively broken the party's back, and will require something new to come of it.

    I think/hope this election will force them to realize they need to drop the social conservatism.



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    As do I, but it doesn't mean Jeb is not a great man, and wouldn't make a good President.

    Americans are also wrong in their assessment, and I have a feeling it will slowly recede in time.

    Bush II was an awful President, imo, but the causes of the economic crisis go so much further back.
    I agree with everything you say here.

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    2010's election saw +60 House seats gained for the GOP. Was that election more of a "I am pissed at the Dems" versus "Wow, I would love to hug and kiss some GOP people?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I agree with everything you say here.

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    2010's election saw +60 House seats gained for the GOP. Was that election more of a "I am pissed at the Dems" versus "Wow, I would love to hug and kiss some GOP people?"
    Yeah, neither the party, nor its ideals, are dead.

    In fact, this all points to a development that I've wanted to see for a long time.

    Frankly, I'm more excited about the future of the Republican Party now than I ever have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yeah, neither the party, nor its ideals, are dead.

    In fact, this all points to a development that I've wanted to see for a long time.

    Frankly, I'm more excited about the future of the Republican Party now than I ever have been.
    Care to expand? Or is it more about the concept of honing the party down and getting rid of the dead weight of some of these issues?

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