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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    These are net IRS receipts for fiscal year 2009. @Risen @Lateralus


    This is nice. I think it shows that it's pretty close.

    Yes, but as we view the future of the Republicans, it seems they couldn't cut the deficit without upsetting red states too. It's not just a bunch of entitlement junkies in blue states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yes, and, in general, those criticisms, on both sides, are stupid, simple-minded, and lacking in critical thought.



    Actually, it was stupid when the other Republicans did it, just like it was stupid when the Democrats did it.

    Thank you for another stupid argument.



    Really taking the high-road again, I see.

    Not at all doing exactly what I talked about in my post.

    Cuz, you know, if you asked Greg Mankiw about his position on this, he'd prove himself to be an absolute know-nothing.



    Yes, that graphic is the end-all, be-all of the issue.

    You have definitely proven that Republicans don't actually care about reducing federal spending.

    It's not like that's not an absolute non sequitur to begin with, nor couldn't be torn to shreds with just a slight bit of argumentation.



    Yes, there hasn't been an ounce of substance to anything I've said in this thread:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=1#post1991717
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=1#post1991734
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=1#post1991823
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=1#post1991873
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=1#post1991803

    Thank you for your baseless, ignorant assertions.



    Yes, well you haven't shown yourself to be a very astute observer.

    Anyway, as I said to you in private, I have no interest in discussing these issues with you.

    Some people are rational enough to have a worthwhile discussion about this stuff with. You are not one of these people.
    Okay, I basically feel the same way about you and your posts, both on the issue of merit and taste. So I entreat you never to make a comment on one of my posts again publicly or privately. The way I view it, your rep was a opening for discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAJ View Post
    Okay, I basically feel the same way about you and your posts, both on the issue of merit and taste.
    Yes, well, only one of us is right.

    And, now that I've dealt with some of your arguments, as you asked me to, you're the one who has no response.

    Quote Originally Posted by BAJ View Post
    So I entreat you never to make a comment on one of my posts again publicly or privately.
    How about you stop making inaccurate, one-sided political claims, and I won't give you an accurate appraisal of them anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by BAJ View Post
    The way I view it, your rep was a opening for discussion.
    It was an entreaty on my part to get you to stop.

    Unreflective, unaware, blatantly-biased, partisan hackery bothers me.

    If you don't post with some such similar methodology, I will abide by your request.

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    I don't think anyone here suggested that all liberal states have big deficits and poor fiscal policy. Ca, otoh, is a liberal state that is becoming more and more socialistic, with ridiculous fiscal policies. There are too many issues to summarize about why CA is in such a hole. It's too complicated to do it justice with a little rant. But among the issues pushing it are the union pensions, the very high spending on welfare liabilities and useless government projects (such as our high speed train, but that was approved by the voters), and a reliance on the rich to fill our tax burden. It's an income source that just doesn't cut it because the rich are such a small population, and their income fluctuates year to year along with their numbers in CA. And overall, taxing the rich will never bring in enough revenue, even if you take EVERYTHING they have. In part, CA's problems can be attributed to spending far outweighing realistic tax income. Every year, EVERY year, we have multiple times where the legislature tells us the state is flat out of money, and we need to borrow more/raise taxes/fees to keep our government running. Every few months it seems, the budget hits a wall, until the legislature decides to increase the budget by borrowing more. And yet, despite our taxes going up and up (mostly on businesses and the rich), most people don't feel the effects of this impending ruin that is our fiscal policy. The average person started to see it when they began cutting funding for national parks and closing them down, but hell, that's another scandal in how that money was being misappropriated, and the parks crisis was an overall lie to the public. The shenanigans in this state go on and on and on. You could write a book on it.

    But let me share this:

    http://taxfoundation.org/article/201...-climate-index

    The Tax Foundation’s 2013 edition of the State Business Tax Climate Index enables business leaders, government policymakers, and taxpayers to gauge how their states’ tax systems compare.

    The 10 lowest ranked, or worst, states in this year’s Index are:
    Maryland
    Iowa
    Wisconsin
    North Carolina
    Minnesota
    Rhode Island
    Vermont
    California
    New Jersey
    New York
    And as far as CA being the highest taxed state in the nation:

    http://taxfoundation.org/article/sta...s-midyear-2012

    Table 1: State and Average Local Sales Taxes, as of July 1, 2012 State State Tax Rate Rank Average Local Tax Rate (a) Combined
    Rate Rank Minimum Local Rate Maximum Local Rate
    California (b) 7.25% 1 0.88% 8.13% 12 0.00% 2.50%
    Indiana 7.00% 2 None 7.00% 20
    Mississippi 7.00% 2 0.004% 7.00% 19 0.00% 0.25%
    New Jersey (e) 7.00% 2 -0.03% 6.97% 22
    Rhode Island 7.00% 2 None 7.00% 20
    Tennessee 7.00% 2 2.43% 9.43% 1 1.50% 2.75%
    Minnesota 6.875% 7 0.30% 7.17% 17 0.00% 1.00%
    Nevada 6.85% 8 1.08% 7.93% 13 0.00% 1.25%
    Arizona 6.60% 9 2.52% 9.12% 2 0.00% 7.125%
    Our top marginal income tax rate just increased by 29% with prop 30, a vote to rape the rich and maintain our budget shortfalls, along with a .25% boost to the state sales tax. We have some of the highest sales tax, gas tax, DMV fees, and top marginal income tax rates in the nation.

    http://www.caltax.org/research/calrank.html

    State Sales Tax: Highest in the Nation

    California levies a 7.25 percent general sales and use tax on consumers, which is the highest statewide rate in the nation. Local governments are permitted to levy another 1.5 percent. Click here for the State Board of Equalization's detailed description of the statewide sales and use tax rate, and here for information on additional city and county sales tax rates.

    Gasoline Tax: Second Highest in the Nation

    California's statewide gasoline taxes and fees total 48.6 cents per gallon, the second highest in the nation, just behind New York (49 cents gallon) and tied with Connecticut (according to the American Petroleum Institute, for rates effective January 1, 2012). When the federal gas tax of 18.4 cents per gallon is added, Californians pay 67 cents in taxes for every gallon of gas they purchase. Additionally, California's general sales tax and various local sales taxes are levied on the sale of gasoline — and the sales tax is calculated after the state and federal excise taxes are added to the price, so motorists pay a tax on a tax.

    Personal Income Tax: Second Highest in the Nation

    California's personal income tax has the second-highest rate and one of the most highly progressive structures in the nation. As of January 2012, the top rate of 10.3 percent was surpassed only by Hawaii, which has a top rate of 11 percent. Oregon's top rate had been 11 percent, but fell to 9.9 percent in 2012. Most small businesses are S Corporations, partnerships, or sole proprietorships, and pay their business taxes at the rates for individuals, which makes California's taxes on small businesses some of the most burdensome in the nation.

    Corporate Income Tax: Highest in the West

    "Corporations looking to relocate, or even establish, a business in the West may shy away from California, as the state's 8.84 percent flat rate is the highest corporate tax rate in the West," the Tax Foundation said in 2011. Nothing has changed, as the group's 2012 Business Tax Climate Index report shows that other Western states still have much lower corporate tax rates. Nationally, only eight states have a higher top corporate tax rate than California (Alaska, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, New Jersey, Pennslyvania and Rhode Island).

    Property Tax: High, Even Under Proposition 13

    In its 2012 State Business Tax Climate Index, the Tax Foundation ranks the 50 states on property tax collections per capita. As of July 1, 2011, property taxes in California were $1,458 per capita, ranked 14th highest nationally. Without Proposition 13, the 1978 voter-approved initiative that set limits on property taxes for California property owners, the state likely would rank even worse.
    Correction to the above, with the passage of prop 30, our top income tax is now 13.3% instead of 10.3%, putting us well above Hawaii as NUMBER ONE! Out state sales tax is now 7.5%. Add to that the extra sales tax in counties like LA, you're paying near 9% sales tax. It's ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yes, well, only one of us is right.

    And, now that I've dealt with some of your arguments, as you asked me to, you're the one who has no response.



    How about you stop making inaccurate, one-sided political claims, and I won't give you an accurate appraisal of them anymore.



    It was an entreaty on my part to get you to stop.

    Unreflective, unaware, blatantly-biased, partisan hackery bothers me.

    If you don't post with some such similar methodology, I will abide by your request.

    Basically, you posted some links to posts where you were discussing something with other people, as well as another pile of personal attacks and self-aggrandizement. Thus, what I see is primarily personal attacks.

    So you are not addressing anything I said directly other than saying personally negative things about me, and other people.

    So I expect you to quote me and address the aspects that you think are false. Instead, you post a link where you are arguing with someone else, and in my regard, you only address me tangentially, and then post personal attacks about me. This is no more than posturing and hot air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAJ View Post
    Basically, you posted some links to posts where you were discussing something with other people, as well as another pile of personal attacks and self-aggrandizement. Thus, what I see is primarily personal attacks.

    So you are not addressing anything I said directly other than saying personally negative things about me, and other people.

    So I expect you to quote me and address the aspects that you think are false. Instead, you post a link where you are arguing with someone else, and in my regard, you only address me tangentially, and then post personal attacks about me. This is no more than posturing and hot air.
    Well, I can't teach you to read.

    Nor can I teach you how to think.

    I can't make you understand how to context-shift.

    And since your problem is narrow-minded, pigeon-holed, one-sided thinking, there's really nothing I can do.

    As such, by my cost-benefit analysis, trying to discuss things with you rationally is pointless, and the only worthwhile option is to get you to stop your blatantly biased posting, which does nothing to contribute to the dialogue, but only detracts from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Well, I can't teach you to read.
    I read this as another personal attack without substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAJ View Post
    I read this as another personal attack without substance.
    Good for you.

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    Would you guys please keep your ad hominem bickering out of this thread!
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    lol
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