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    It always gets ugly when a privileged class feels it's losing its privileges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    If you aren't going to look at the world in terms of gender, race, ethnicity, and class, how are you looking at it?
    To quote the article:

    We must counter the discourse and speak and educate in terms of family, faith, freedom, principle, values, work, country, community, improvement, growth, and equality of opportunity.
    As far as bennett's remarks regarding capitalism v. socialism, I don't really put any stock in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    To quote the article:
    In what manner is this dichotomous from thinking about the nation's demographics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Woolf View Post
    It always gets ugly when a privileged class feels it's losing its privileges.
    Objection your honor... relevance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    In what manner is this dichotomous from thinking about the nation's demographics?
    In that its an entirely different frame work to start from.

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    That article is a bit ridiculous. Republicans have done a pretty good of defining how we discuss issues, as well. Liberals aren't dominating, neither are conservatives. Ideology is winning out over evidence.

    We must counter the discourse and speak and educate in terms of family, faith, freedom, principle, values, work, country, community, improvement, growth, and equality of opportunity. No longer can the Republican Party be solely the party of business. Who controls the terms of discussion, dialogue, and education controls the country and, therefore, the election.
    I don't even know what this means. How can you educate someone in terms in family? Or anything else listed here?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    In that its an entirely different frame work to start from.
    That doesn't make it dichotomous. To my mind that almost implies the absence of dichotomy. Things need to be in the same framework in some sense to be mutually exclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    That doesn't make it dichotomous. To my mind that almost implies the absence of dichotomy. Things need to be in the same framework in some sense to be mutually exclusive.
    And where was it said that they were?

    It's about priorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Awesome.That explains why like the 10 most educated states based on percentage with college education went Obama, whereas 9 of the top worst educated states went for Romney.

    By this the Republicans should do everything in their power to decrease the percentage of college educated individuals, and decrease public education. I mean all the upper class Republicans need is a low cost, uneducated workforce, and if they make the population stupid enough they might all vote Republican.

    That must be where I went wrong, I think. I went to church, and then in college I found out the male anti-abortion protestor was the one who got the girl pregnant and skipped town.

    In graduate school, my view of Israel as God's promised land was destroyed by meeting people from Lebanon, a Ph.D. student who'd watched his apartment complex, full of families and children was shelled to the ground by the Israelis.

    I guess in college...all that propaganda (cough...truth) must have ruined me.

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    Do you think there is any truth to the argument that ways people view family, faith, freedom, principles, values, work, country, community improvement, growth and equality of opportunity might be different and those differences may overlap certain demographic lines. I agree in our shared ideals and I'm a little uncomfortable at the idea of parties "winning demographics" as if all people in X group think the exact sam way.

    But that family for instance their are some people have a narrow interpretation of a proper family as one that has one woman, one man and their children. So them promoting their idea of family will be unintentionally alienating to single parent families, blended families and LGBT families.

    Similarly promoting faith becomes a question of "what faith or what types of faiths". Also marginalizing the atheistic or even agnostics depending of the level of emphasis on organized religion.



    I think one thing that turns me personally off about conservatism is that they seem very tied to the idea of a certain "American" way of doing things. the "Real America". Their ideal America doesn't really reflect my experience of America. Just using me as an example. I'm a biracial person with an immigrant stepparent. From 4-18 I was raised by a single mother. going back generations my family has never really been from small towns or middle america. So for my family a lot of the "simpler times" or "how it used to be"s are not really times that were good for people like us. A lot of the times when I hear conservative speakers I feel like they just aren't trying to talk to people like me at all.

    One thing I remember off hand (and it was a while ago) was a special glenn beck did with a lot of mothers. I remember feeling putt off my it because many of the women we're stay at home mom's. Not that being a stay at home is bad but I didn't know any stay at home mom's. My mother and all my friends mothers worked (One worked a daycare center from her home). My grandmothers and my great grandmothers all worked outside the house as seamstresses, nurses, office workers, housekeepers ect. It just seemed like his version of the American mother was so removed from mine.



    Sort of a long tangent but I guess my point was that I think Republicans are already trying to focus on ideals rather than demographics but the trouble is making the demographics they are courting feel like they fit in with those ideals.

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