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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Because...u said so?
    Because our current system is financially unsustainable.

    I thought that was, at this point, common knowledge.

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    Sure, it must be reorganized, not necessarily destroyed and-or diminished in scope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    It's a difference of opinion, which is what democracy is all about.

    We can't afford the programs we already have.
    Well, irl, when you're having budget problems, you can either cut expenses, increase income or both. Both is our best bet in this situation. And budgets are all about priorities. Do we keep allowing GE and companies like it no tax burden and let American families go without proper medical care and heat in the winter or do we make GE and companies like it pay up and take care of our families?

    Seriously, we're the richest country in the world and we have one of the worst healthcare systems outside the third world. If we had any sense, we'd be ashamed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Well, irl, when you're having budget problems, you can either cut expenses, increase income or both.

    The US economy is a tad bit more complex than a family budget.

    We do need both increased revenue and decreased spending.

    Given the composition of our budget a substantial amount of those cuts will have to come from entitlements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    The US economy is a tad bit more complex than a family budget.
    You're kidding!

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    We do need both increased revenue and decreased spending.

    Given the composition of our budget a substantial amount of those cuts will have to come from entitlements.
    Not buying. We can change the composition of our budget. Countries with much less money take much better care of their citizens than we do. We can do it. The reason we don't is because the people that make the rules don't want to and the rest of us are too ignorant to make them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Not buying. We can change the composition of our budget. Countries with much less money take much better care of their citizens than we do. We can do it. The reason we don't is because the people that make the rules don't want to and the rest of us are too ignorant to make them.
    That's good cause I'm not selling it.

    It's the truth.

    Ask and economist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Ask an economist then.
    Okay. Do you have Mr. Krugman's number handy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Okay. Do you have Mr. Krugman's number handy?
    No but I do have some info I got from some guys named Simpson and Bowles.

    National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    No but I do have some info I got from some guys named Simpson and Bowles.

    National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform
    I'll believe we're serious about addressing budget problems caused by entitlements when somebody proposes cutting corporate welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    No but I do have some info I got from some guys named Simpson and Bowles.
    I GOT YOUR SIMPSON AND BOWLES RIGHT HERE, SON!

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