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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Not that I agree with your interpretation, but, if you want to play it that way: do you remember Obama doing the same last election cycle?

    Seeing as I was 13, no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooseantlers View Post
    Seeing as I was 13, no.
    Well, he did.

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    I already voted for Romney (even though I am dismayed that he did not tour the east coast areas hit by Sandy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    It's so telling that progressives speak in terms of forward and backward instead of right and wrong.
    Is that a quote from a fascist dictator, or your own words? Just checking.

    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    In all seriousness, can you tell me why you think Obama will do a better job than Romney? I mean without the one liners or quips. What is your reasoning?
    If I want to use one-liners or quips in my posts, I will. The bottom line for me is— I don't trust anything that comes out of Romney's mouth. It's that simple.
    Frankly, I don't support Romney's or Obama's policies enough to vote for either one.

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    I'm not a single issue voter but I'm pro-life. I'm voting for Obama because, to me, he's the pro-life candidate. If I'm not mistaken, the Affordable Care Act includes provisions that improve access to contraceptives, which appears to reduce abortion rates. I also believe his support of social programs help couples with unplanned pregnancies, making carrying a child to term more feasible.

    I don't favor the reversal of Roe v. Wade, but I do not believe there is any danger of that happening, regardless of who is in the White House. If that was going to happen, it would have happened in the eighties or nineties. The GOP has no interest in making abortion illegal. They do not really want poor people having babies, at least not as long as they have access to undocumented labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    His legislative record speaks for itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    This.
    That does not conclude anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I'm not a single issue voter but I'm pro-life. I'm voting for Obama because, to me, he's the pro-life candidate. If I'm not mistaken, the Affordable Care Act includes provisions that improve access to contraceptives, which appears to reduce abortion rates. I also believe his support of social programs help couples with unplanned pregnancies, making carrying a child to term more feasible.

    I don't favor the reversal of Roe v. Wade, but I do not believe there is any danger of that happening, regardless of who is in the White House. If that was going to happen, it would have happened in the eighties or nineties. The GOP has no interest in making abortion illegal. They do not really want poor people having babies, at least not as long as they have access to undocumented labor.
    What do you think is up with the rallying around that issue and the dismissive talk about rape victims by half a dozen of them? It seems like those statements couldn't possibly rally support for those politicians without the underlying motivation of the abortion issue. The statements are just so extreme by many of them. Maybe they are just revealing a deep misogyny for no political reason?

    I am pretty cynical about both corporate backed parties and wish the U.S. could go directly to a four party system an eliminate the whole "corporations are people" which sold our individual freedoms up the creek. I'm mostly "democrat" because their social positions are less extreme and actually more moderate, even conservative in the big picture. Also, with a marketing strategy of caring for the working class, they have to do at least a little of that to keep up appearances, but the Republicans lack that and market on religious extremism and being "mavericks", non of which are actually conservative mindsets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I'm not a single issue voter but I'm pro-life. I'm voting for Obama because, to me, he's the pro-life candidate. If I'm not mistaken, the Affordable Care Act includes provisions that improve access to contraceptives, which appears to reduce abortion rates. I also believe his support of social programs help couples with unplanned pregnancies, making carrying a child to term more feasible.
    Your analysis is correct, and reveals just how hypocritical many so-called "pro-lifers" are by opposing the very measures that have been shown to reduce abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    I am pretty cynical about both corporate backed parties and wish the U.S. could go directly to a four party system an eliminate the whole "corporations are people" which sold our individual freedoms up the creek. I'm mostly "democrat" because their social positions are less extreme and actually more moderate, even conservative in the big picture. Also, with a marketing strategy of caring for the working class, they have to do at least a little of that to keep up appearances, but the Republicans lack that and market on religious extremism and being "mavericks", non of which are actually conservative mindsets.
    You are right about the Citizens United decision. Speech by this measure is not free, but available to the highest bidder. I, too, tend to vote for democrats for similar reasons. The republicans have been hijacked by the religious fundamentalists. Moreover, as someone else pointed out, when the wealthy pay less tax, either those earning less money must make up the shortfall, or suffer the repercussions of program cuts. It may simply be the lesser of two evils, but I see no benefit in voting for the greater one. I agree we would do better with more viable parties, or even a parliamentary system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    That does not conclude anything.
    That's the most conclusive piece of data you have.

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