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    If I were to vote, I would vote for Romney.

    1. Obama seems so hyped up, it scares me.
    2. I honestly don't think there has been much done in his administration.... he is good looking (in comparison to most other presidents) and personable but what else is there? I honestly think he didn't do all that much better than Bush...

    But then again, I am not really feeling either one so I might end up not voting.

    Obama is most likely going to win because he is charismatic, young, "fresh", progressive, good looking (along with politics but one's persona and presentation is half the game..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    If I were to vote, I would vote for Romney.

    1. Obama seems so hyped up, it scares me.
    2. I honestly don't think there has been much done in his administration.... he is good looking (in comparison to most other presidents) and personable but what else is there? I honestly think he didn't do all that much better than Bush...
    He has become a lame duck because Congress blocks him at every turn. Precisely so that people like you (who dont examine these things closely) won't re-elect him.

    I'm beginning to agree with the person who said non-Americans should be allowed to vote in US elections, since we apparently know more about your political system than you do...

    Plus. Fucking racists. How do they work?
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    I know how it works... checks and balances so almost nothing gets passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    I know how it works... checks and balances so almost nothing gets passed.
    So which is it, then? Obama's fault, or the political system's fault? You now are mixing two different ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    First off, I don't think she's an ENTP.

    Second, I didn't necessarily take her seriously.

    Third, considering what I have seen of her, it did seem at least plausible.

    Fourth, if that is a plausible position for you, you're not someone who should be joking about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    So which is it, then? Obama's fault, or the political system's fault?
    It's Obama's fault, since it was his actions (first, meeting with Republican leaders, telling them he wanted to work across the aisle, and asking them for their proposals for the Stimulus Bill, only to turn around and ignore every single one of their proposals outright, followed by his Chief of Staff telling the Republicans "to go fuck themselves, we have the votes" with you or without you, REPEATEDLY, all within his first week in office) that led to the partisan standoff, and it was his actions (focusing on healthcare, rather than focusing on the economy/jobs, and shoving Obamacare down the country's throat, despite the fact that the majority of the American People opposed it [and even more do now]) that led to the American People throwing his party out of office in 2010.

    Frankly, it's not a fault of the American political system, it is a blessing, that the American People's voices have been allowed to be heard by blocking the actions of this incompetent idiot who never should've been elected in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Obama's, since it was his actions (first asking for Republicans' proposals for the Stimulus Bill, then ignoring every single one of them outright, then his Chief of Staff telling the Republicans "to go fuck themselves, we have the votes", repeatedly, all within his first week in office) that led to the partisan standoff, and it was his actions (focusing on healthcare, rather than focusing on the economy/jobs, and passing Obamacare despite the fact that the majority of the American People opposed it [and an even more do now]) that led to the American People throwing his party out of office in 2010.

    Frankly, it's not a fault of the American political system, it is a blessing, that the American People's voices have been allowed to be heard by blocking this idiot who never should've been elected in the first place.
    I wasn't asking you, since you weren't the one with the inconsistency, but at least you have a clearly worded answer rather than a rather vague muddled one.

    As far as the Stimulus Bill goes, though, my understanding is that even Paul Ryan voted against it and he was on the committee that proposed it. And the Healthcare bill is probably the biggest decent thing he got done while in office. It's all interwoven with the economy, and part of a solution. When you've got a Gordian knot in front of you, where do you start?

    Your last paragraph has nothing of substance to respond to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    So which is it, then? Obama's fault, or the political system's fault? You now are mixing two different ideas.
    I don't think that they are exclusive, necessarily. But to answer who/what is more at fault, I am not personally sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    As far as the Stimulus Bill goes, though, my understanding is that even Paul Ryan voted against it and he was on the committee that proposed it.
    Frankly, it sounds like you're confusing the Stimulus Bill with the Simpson-Bowles report, but, in either case, your argument would be meaningless. Paul Ryan had good reason to vote against the Simpson-Bowles report, and he, like every other Republican, voted against the Stimulus Bill because of the facts I laid out above (i.e., the administration ignoring every one of the Republicans' proposals for it, after originally having asked for them, and following that up by telling the Republicans to "go fuck themselves, we have the votes" repeatedly).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    And the Healthcare bill is probably the biggest decent thing he got done while in office.
    Not according to the majority of the American People.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It's all interwoven with the economy, and part of a solution.
    It's not part of a solution to an economic/jobs crisis when it raises the marginal cost of hiring, thus dampening any recovery.

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    When you've got a Gordian knot in front of you, where do you start?
    Not by passing legislation that significantly raises the cost of hiring for businesses and adds a huge cloud of regulatory and fiscal uncertainty over the entire US economy.

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    Your last paragraph has nothing of substance to respond to.
    Your entire response didn't, yet I responded to it.

    Of course, there were significant inaccuracies in your assessment that do not exist in mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    I know how it works... checks and balances so almost nothing gets passed.
    But some things do. Like that entirely worthless $ 700bn banking bailout, for example.
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