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  • Obama wins both.

    17 54.84%
  • Romney wins both.

    2 6.45%
  • Obama wins the electoral college and Romney wins the popular vote.

    11 35.48%
  • Romney wins the electoral college and Obama wins the popular vote.

    1 3.23%
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    Quote Originally Posted by swordpath View Post
    The problem is that they think they are putting the country above party, and undermining the President's work is the way to combat his misdirection. But of course to everyone else, it looks like ignorant, egotistical, hard headedness.
    This sort of belief is the quintessential form of egotistical hardheadedness.

    Do you really believe that people will go around saying, "I want to screw up the country so that I will be proven right"?

    "I will sabotage my elected leader who I think is leading the wrong direction" is the closest anyone who doesn't explicitly believe themselves to be evil will come to stating the former. It is the result of subconsciously thinking "I want to screw things up, so the I will be proven right," while still wanting to see oneself as a semi-decent human being.

    People need to learn how to "Disagree and Commit."

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    @Jennifer Yeah, that's how Kucinich lost his seat.

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    Better than anything I had contemplated, Democrats make a net gain of 2 seats in the senate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I have not investigated this particular claim I'm about to mention, but I saw a national-level activist describe how areas were rezoned by the Tea Party pubs after the 2010 census in order to ensure that they would maintain their seats / have better control in this election, and that they would have lost seats (kind of how we saw Michele Bachmann almost lose hers, plus another who did lose a seat) if the rezoning had not occurred.

    IOW, the House would have been smacked up a bit more toward Dem if the rezoning hadn't been done.
    Yarp. 2010 was gerrymandering time and the Republicans were control for the most part, particularly in the big swing states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    It should be noted that the Dems gained seats in the Senate, and it looks like the they will gain seats in the House too (though the Reps will still control the House).

    Though still greatly divided, I think the majority blamed Congress more for the dysfunction than the president. Hopefully, this is enough to stop the "No compromise" rhetoric. Try _something_ already.

    I saw the debt ceiling debacle as a hostage attempt by the Republicans. If we have a repeat of that regarding the fiscal cliff, then the Republicans may just created another Democrat.

    To me, the Republicans have to show that they care more about the well being of the nation than being proven right. That they value truth over ideology. That they will do what works rather than what insisting only what they believe. That they will actually put country above party. Because, I think it has been the opposite for the last 4 years.

    Thankfully the situation is reversed this time. The bush tax cuts will auto-expire UNLESS congress acts. I think Obama will play chicken with the fiscal cliff until the republicans agree to letting the tax cuts renew for all BUT the top 2%
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    This sort of belief is the quintessential form of egotistical hardheadedness.

    Do you really believe that people will go around saying, "I want to screw up the country so that I will be proven right"?

    "I will sabotage my elected leader who I think is leading the wrong direction" is the closest anyone who doesn't explicitly believe themselves to be evil will come to stating the former. It is the result of subconsciously thinking "I want to screw things up, so the I will be proven right," while still wanting to see oneself as a semi-decent human being.
    So let me get this straight....if Romney had won and Harry Reid constantly prevented him from implementing his 'tea party agenda' (such as defunding Obamacare in conjunction with a Republican House), would you believe it was motivated primarily by subconscious narcissism or primarily by principle and/or constituent demand? In other words, I'm asking whether your harsh judgement toward legislative gridlock through obstruction would be applied consistently, or only toward representatives opposing agendas that you simply can't imagine any reasonable, well-meaning person would be so strongly against?

    Because I think its attitudes like the last which have made our national polarization become so dire in recent years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    So let me get this straight....if Romney had won and Harry Reid constantly prevented him from implementing his 'tea party agenda' (such as defunding Obamacare in conjunction with a Republican House), would you believe it was motivated primarily by subconscious narcissism or primarily by principle and/or constituent demand? In other words, I'm asking whether your harsh judgement toward legislative gridlock through obstruction would be applied consistently, or only toward representatives opposing agendas that you simply can't imagine any reasonable, well-meaning person would be so strongly against?

    Because I think its attitudes like the last which have made our national polarization become so dire in recent years.
    If Harry Reid had launched his efforts with the same sort of rhetoric. "There will be no compromise regarding Obamacare". "We want this president to fail". Then yes, I would ascribe the same sort of ideology-before-truth, party-before-nation, motives to Harry Reid as well. Subconscious whatever you want to call it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    If Harry Reid had launched his efforts with the same sort of rhetoric. "There will be no compromise regarding Obamacare". "We want this president to fail". Then yes, I would ascribe the same sort of ideology-before-truth, party-before-nation, motives to Harry Reid as well. Subconscious whatever you want to call it.
    Fair enough, then; fwiw, even I was discomforted by (almost certainly hyperbolic) claims by Republicans that they wouldn't accept tax increases, even if met with four times the amount in spending cuts (but then, my red lines are for Constitutional, not spending, issues).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Nice article about Nate Silver, since he called all 50 states correctly, while going against the conventional pundit wisdom of the time.
    The push-back against Silver's success has already started. I've read articles saying anyone could have done what he did by averaging the polls or that he's only correct because the polls were correct Of course, he himself would agree that what he did wasn't magical to many statistically-inclined people, but what I find funny is that the people who criticized him for his predictions earlier, i.e the ones who put him on centre-stage, are the same ones who are poo-pooing his well-deserved fame.

    I think one lesson to be learned in this election is the mis-understanding and misreporting of margin of error. The assumption by most media is that the race is a toss-up because the polls show a lead within the margin of error. That might be true if you have one poll showing an Obama lead within the margin or 10 polls showing 5 leads each for Obama and Romney. But if you have 10 polls and 9 are showing Obama leading by 1 point and the other poll is Rassmussen, well I think you're screwed...

    Edit : Read the article linked and I was expecting his office to be in his mom's basement
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