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    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    Things imply generality - people have different opinions. Are you too closed-minded to realize that the same thing can be seen a lot of different ways?
    This is pretty funny, given your next comments ...

    Well I hated literature class at school. I rarely could understand what the authors meant according to the teacher. I could not write interpretations as I would phrase everything into 2-3 sentences while the "best" students would write 2-3 pages about it. They went really deep with their interpretations and it was an utter bore to listen to a few of them, the "best" ones read their works. I barely could stay awake, literally...
    yeah, I don't think you're NP.
    You might like this though...

    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Frankly if they wanted to have a better product they'd sell virgin women and experienced men or something of that nature. makes more sense sociologically, evolutionarily, blabalbalbalbal etc.
    Wut?
    This has nothing whatsoever to do with evolutionary or sociological pressures.
    Most women prefer sex with an experienced man because it's (usually) more pleasurable (for obvious reasons). However, few women would consider paying for that experience. Most well-adjusted/ sexually competent men prefer sex with a (somewhat) experienced woman for similar reasons. Since this transaction is purely about pleasure (and not mate selection), this is the only factor to consider. Only inexperienced/insecure/sexually incompetent men desire virgins. Unless having your partner bleed/be in pain and not have a good time is necessary for sexual enjoyment. (In which case, all those labels still apply.). But we are talking about men who have to pay for sex. So it's unsurprising. Let's not pretend this is "normal" or adaptive behaviour though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No, that's not what I mean, yes, you did suggest a dichotomy by what you had posted.

    The Wealth of Nations is nothing without System of Moral Sentiments. And the greatest advocates of socialism I know do so without reference to altruism or charitability ever, like Oscar Wilde's Soul of Man Under Socialism.

    I'm sensing a strong streak of contrariness in your posting with respect of my views, I'm willing to give you a chance for a bit but in a while I'm going to get tired of it.
    That's a weak response. If you meant "The Theory of Moral Sentiments", the only thing that links those books is the author. Try harder.
    Or don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    This is pretty funny, given your next comments ...
    It's about the teacher, not me...

    yeah, I don't think you're NP.
    Why, NPs wouldn't feel that way during the literature class? What if they aren't interested in literature?

    You might like this though...
    No, I didn't like it. I dislike British accent, I don't like ads, I don't agree with the concept of "manliness."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    It's about the teacher, not me...
    Sure, it's always about the other guy...

    Why, NPs wouldn't feel that way during the literature class? What if they aren't interested in literature?
    The fact that you don't understand my point is just more grist for the mill.
    No, I didn't like it. I dislike British accent, I don't like ads, I don't agree with the concept of "manliness."
    You don't understand irony either. (Hint: I knew you wouldn't like it). Manly jokes come in many flavours.
    I did think you might appreciate the "quality food" though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    That's a weak response. If you meant "The Theory of Moral Sentiments", the only thing that links those books is the author. Try harder.
    Or don't.
    They were meant to be a single volume, read as such they put a different complection on capitalism altogether, although it is still a system I would not support it is something which would not compare to the present system which has more to do with Ayn Rand and Al Capone than anything else.

    Although you dont need to stop at Adam Smith, I just choose him because he is thought of as a "founder" or grand daddy of capitalism, Herbert Spencer, Mill, any of them, they all connect charity and capitalism, altruism and selfishness.

    Whereas socialists like William Morris, Oscar Wilde, Marx and Engels, all reject the sea saw of altruism and selfishness for an alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    That's a weak response. If you meant "The Theory of Moral Sentiments", the only thing that links those books is the author. Try harder.
    Or don't.
    They were meant to be a single volume, read as such they put a different complection on capitalism altogether, although it is still a system I would not support it is something which would not compare to the present system which has more to do with Ayn Rand and Al Capone than anything else.

    Although you dont need to stop at Adam Smith, I just choose him because he is thought of as a "founder" or grand daddy of capitalism, Herbert Spencer, Mill, any of them, they all connect charity and capitalism, altruism and selfishness.

    Whereas socialists like William Morris, Oscar Wilde, Marx and Engels, all reject the sea saw of altruism and selfishness for an alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    They were meant to be a single volume, read as such they put a different complection on capitalism altogether, although it is still a system I would not support it is something which would not compare to the present system which has more to do with Ayn Rand and Al Capone than anything else.

    Although you dont need to stop at Adam Smith, I just choose him because he is thought of as a "founder" or grand daddy of capitalism, Herbert Spencer, Mill, any of them, they all connect charity and capitalism, altruism and selfishness.

    Whereas socialists like William Morris, Oscar Wilde, Marx and Engels, all reject the sea saw of altruism and selfishness for an alternative.
    Smith was wrong about human nature though. And he was wrong about the benevolence of "the invisible hand". Marx was right.
    If he were not, I imagine you would not be railing against modern capitalism.
    And I still fail to see support for your claim that "capitalism needs charitability". Can you explicate? (Preferably without making reference to other authors, alive or dead).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Sure, it's always about the other guy...
    So the comment is about me, even though it is about the teacher? Hm... Wait, it isn't one of those "everything is about me, not the other guy" things, is it?

    The fact that you don't understand my point is just more grist for the mill.
    And yet you skip answering my questions.

    You don't understand irony either. (Hint: I knew you wouldn't like it). Manly jokes come in many flavours.
    I did think you might appreciate the "quality food" though...
    I don't like this flavor.

    An ad is a poor subject for judgement about the quality of the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    So the comment is about me, even though it is about the teacher?
    You're catching on.
    And yet you skip answering my questions.
    You were being too literal. And your questions are dull.
    Besides, what are you interested in? (Other than quality food)

    I don't like this flavor.
    We have different tastes in humour. I guess if you'd realised that back at post #56 you'd have saved us both some aggravation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    You're catching on.
    I'm just pointing out the stupidity of that argument, that's all.

    You were being too literal. And your questions are dull.
    Besides, what are you interested in? (Other than quality food)
    I think I've mentioned that in the OP of type me thread. If not, I bet I've mentioned it throughout that thread.

    It's rather ignorant to pick only one thing, ignore the rest and say "you're only interested in THAT!"

    We have different tastes in humour. I guess if you'd realised that back at post #56 you'd have saved us both some aggravation.
    Too bad my thread about MBTI and humor didn't have much success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Smith was wrong about human nature though. And he was wrong about the benevolence of "the invisible hand". Marx was right.
    If he were not, I imagine you would not be railing against modern capitalism.
    And I still fail to see support for your claim that "capitalism needs charitability". Can you explicate? (Preferably without making reference to other authors, alive or dead).
    I dont think that Smith was "wrong", his position was virtually the same as Marx when it comes to the question of the vagaries of "human nature" they were both enlightenment humanists.

    I'm not sure how you're interpreting the invisible hand, it was a point about spontaneous order, repeated by Hayek and Marx would not have argued with that. Although he would have suggested that the spontaneous order had more to do with class struggles than either organicism and tradition (conservatism) or individuality and innovation (liberalism).

    Smith thought that benevolence arose from the manner in which markets could harness individual self-interest or selfishness for the common good, which is fine so far as it goes but does not take account of how class struggles will eschew the theory or practice.

    Capitalism needs charitability as the market can not fulfil all functions and needs, it is an incomplete picture and usually the medium by which strangers interact, Smith explained in system of moral sentiments a whole series of norms and mores which mediate relationships and provide the complete picture of social orderliness.

    Suggesting that Smith or Marx where right or wrong about modern capitalism seems a little off the mark for me, they lived in a different epoch and era and should be considered in that light, both have their strengths and weaknesses generally and specifically.

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