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    Default "Welfare Queen" Experiment, evidence of subconscious racism?

    Do you think the "Welfare Queen" experiment, would get different results today?

    Article describing welfare queen experiment:
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    The short story is that people could remember that a "Welfare Queen" in a video was black 80% of the time when she was, while they could only remember the race of the "Welfare Queen" 50% of the time when she was white.

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    I doubt it. If anything, Republicans would complain about a white person being featured as a "welfare queen" and call it racism.
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    I don't think the Republicans have the exclusive hold on this particular stereotype:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1947787.html
    (Note the following criticism: "You're an unemployed black woman endorsing @MittRomney. You're voting against yourself thrice. You poor beautiful idiot.")

    It does seem to indicate that issues of class and race get intertwined.

    I'm sure it is no secret that there are videos circulating on right-wing blogs showing people lining up to get "Obama cash", and "Obama phones" with the intent to show that these people were mainly supporting Obama to "get free stuff" (even though the phone policy has been around before Obama). Not only is this an opportunity to cherry pick people and to quote people out of context to make a point, almost all of the people shown were dark skinned (I saw one exception). Considering the racial break-down of those receiving welfare and food-stamps, this seems like unlikely to occur by chance. Also, there were many people commenting that this was "evidence of racial inferiority".

    Imagine if they did a similar hit piece showing rich wall street types talking about getting "Romney breaks". Wouldn't a change in the tax code to help the rich also be getting "something for nothing"? If this becomes a moral argument about who works for their money, I think there is a real problem justifying that people with 7 figure incomes work (or have worked) 30+ times harder than the people making $30K a year. (Especially since I have personally met millionaires, traders mainly, who brag about having to only work 4-5 hours a week).

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    I think its mad that people racialise welfare dependency in the US, although I did have the unpleasant and unexpected experience of witnessing an outburst by a protestant lately who claimed that RCs disproportionately claimed welfare benefits and did so with assistance from legal teams and at the direction of priests hostile to the british state.

    When I pointed out the sectarian nature of what he'd just stated he went on to claim that employing RCs was expensive as they exploited entitlements to sick leave!! Then went on to talk about republican terrorism and his feeling that soldiers opening fire upon unarmed civilians who'd failed to stay home on bloody sunday was not worthy of a second enquiry when the first one, conducted more immediately after the atrocity, had concluded no criminal misconduct had taken place.

    I like to think there's a final reckoning for people who live out their lives looking for reasons to hate.

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    But what would be left if we didn't hate a system that helps lazy, useless American people that could be out working? Would we just have to accept that the government made the right choice in helping these people, despite the system not being perfect, and go on paying taxes to help in the aid of the less fortunate?

    Sounds like a trap...

    .. No. I don't think it would be much different. Young people are angrier than ever, and quick to blame anything and anyone for anything. I see more appalling comments and actions towards younger girls and women than I ever did as a child.. and I see more people angry with the government and the system itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    But what would be left if we didn't hate a system that helps lazy, useless American people that could be out working? Would we just have to accept that the government made the right choice in helping these people, despite the system not being perfect, and go on paying taxes to help in the aid of the less fortunate?

    Sounds like a trap...

    .. No. I don't think it would be much different. Young people are angrier than ever, and quick to blame anything and anyone for anything. I see more appalling comments and actions towards younger girls and women than I ever did as a child.. and I see more people angry with the government and the system itself.
    I'm interested in this Kyuuei what do you mean?

    I think the benefits of having money circulating in the economy are such that they out weigh the potential for abuse when it comes to welfare payments.

    I also think that the lives of those dependent on welfare payments are miserable in contrast to those which are not, that is to say, it is not a way of life which is enviable even if it were only beneficial to the recipient of the welfare payments and not society at large.

    The availability of welfare payments are to assist people in need, that's what they do in the vast majority of cases, that purpose surely is not invalidated by their abuse? Its a little like suggesting we should all make our ways about on foot because drunks have been known to drive cars and drunk driving is a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'm interested in this Kyuuei what do you mean?

    I think the benefits of having money circulating in the economy are such that they out weigh the potential for abuse when it comes to welfare payments.
    You mistake my sarcasm. I'm on welfare myself, or rather my parents are. It's amazing to me to see how many people are angry at the welfare system, and that anyone who uses it is automatically lazy, incompetent losers that just suck off the working class's achievements. How many more people think that women are to blame for much of the abuse.

    I also think that the lives of those dependent on welfare payments are miserable in contrast to those which are not, that is to say, it is not a way of life which is enviable even if it were only beneficial to the recipient of the welfare payments and not society at large.
    No, it definitely isn't. We're on welfare currently, in the form of food stamps. I had to get deployed to be able to support a family, and even with that money we're barely surviving with nothing left to fall back on. It is definitely not an enviable life style, the one we have. I don't know many people who feed a family of 3-4 for $50 a week like I do ($25 a week for a few months). I also don't know many people that have to make their own soaps, laundry detergent, cleaners, and other such things. I don't know anyone who *needs* to garden to supplement their food supply. But I also don't think it's a miserable lifestyle either. I'm not miserable in it. My parents aren't miserable.

    We're slowly picking ourselves up to a point where we won't need food stamps anymore.. but it'll be years before we're at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    You mistake my sarcasm. I'm on welfare myself, or rather my parents are. It's amazing to me to see how many people are angry at the welfare system, and that anyone who uses it is automatically lazy, incompetent losers that just suck off the working class's achievements. How many more people think that women are to blame for much of the abuse.



    No, it definitely isn't. We're on welfare currently, in the form of food stamps. I had to get deployed to be able to support a family, and even with that money we're barely surviving with nothing left to fall back on. It is definitely not an enviable life style, the one we have. I don't know many people who feed a family of 3-4 for $50 a week like I do ($25 a week for a few months). I also don't know many people that have to make their own soaps, laundry detergent, cleaners, and other such things. I don't know anyone who *needs* to garden to supplement their food supply. But I also don't think it's a miserable lifestyle either. I'm not miserable in it. My parents aren't miserable.

    We're slowly picking ourselves up to a point where we won't need food stamps anymore.. but it'll be years before we're at that point.
    I didnt mean miserable the sense of necessarily unhappy, I meant in the sense of "meagre", possibly, or having shortages and hardship, sorry its a local turn of phrase probably.

    I think that's awful, there's a good book called pity the billionaire or something like that which talks about how culture has been flipped since the eighties and people have more sympathy automatically for the rich than they once had for poor people, in either case its a bit indiscriminate fo rme but I still am inclined to believe that the sorts of hardships experienced by the uber rich when they can not sustain their lifestyles are not the same as anyone living on the breadline at all and therefore I really dont think they need tax cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    You mistake my sarcasm. I'm on welfare myself, or rather my parents are. It's amazing to me to see how many people are angry at the welfare system, and that anyone who uses it is automatically lazy, incompetent losers that just suck off the working class's achievements. How many more people think that women are to blame for much of the abuse.



    No, it definitely isn't. We're on welfare currently, in the form of food stamps. I had to get deployed to be able to support a family, and even with that money we're barely surviving with nothing left to fall back on. It is definitely not an enviable life style, the one we have. I don't know many people who feed a family of 3-4 for $50 a week like I do ($25 a week for a few months). I also don't know many people that have to make their own soaps, laundry detergent, cleaners, and other such things. I don't know anyone who *needs* to garden to supplement their food supply. But I also don't think it's a miserable lifestyle either. I'm not miserable in it. My parents aren't miserable.

    We're slowly picking ourselves up to a point where we won't need food stamps anymore.. but it'll be years before we're at that point.
    I didnt mean miserable the sense of necessarily unhappy, I meant in the sense of "meagre", possibly, or having shortages and hardship, sorry its a local turn of phrase probably.

    I think that's awful, there's a good book called pity the billionaire or something like that which talks about how culture has been flipped since the eighties and people have more sympathy automatically for the rich than they once had for poor people, in either case its a bit indiscriminate fo rme but I still am inclined to believe that the sorts of hardships experienced by the uber rich when they can not sustain their lifestyles are not the same as anyone living on the breadline at all and therefore I really dont think they need tax cuts.

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