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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    that you don't have to pay through the nose for? and why are insurance companies care more about turning a profit than taking care of their customers? why are they two faced? something needs to change, and fast.
    If you want decent healthcare you have to pay through the nose. Some countries do it through taxes, others through the market, others, like yours, have a mix of the two.

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    Even though I know that nationalized healthcare is a tried and true approach throughout the world, I have some hesitation in implementing it in the U.S. I think the current system is broken and destructive to have so much money going to insurance and pharmaceutical companies who only care about profits for the stockholders. The culture of the system has to be changed because it is currently profit-oriented and exploitive. I feel concern that if it were transformed into a government based system that the culture would remain and the exploitive issues would be transferred to the new government system. I do not claim to be the expert, but I have wondered if changing the system to one in which any company that deals with vulnerable populations like the sick is required by law to be non-profit. They could still use the free-market to compete, but first eliminating this focus on stockholders, I wonder if that would help change the culture and then the question of nationalizing it could be readdressed if needed. It may be possible that non-profit status could help fix some of the worst underlying issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Even though I know that nationalized healthcare is a tried and true approach throughout the world, I have some hesitation in implementing it in the U.S. I think the current system is broken and destructive to have so much money going to insurance and pharmaceutical companies who only care about profits for the stockholders. The culture of the system has to be changed because it is currently profit-oriented and exploitive. I feel concern that if it were transformed into a government based system that the culture would remain and the exploitive issues would be transferred to the new government system. I do not claim to be the expert, but I have wondered if changing the system to one in which any company that deals with vulnerable populations like the sick is required by law to be non-profit. They could still use the free-market to compete, but first eliminating this focus on stockholders, I wonder if that would help change the culture and then the question of nationalizing it could be readdressed if needed. It may be possible that non-profit status could help fix some of the worst underlying issues.
    I would say non-profit status is exactly what would eliminate the worst underlying issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    If you want decent healthcare you have to pay through the nose. Some countries do it through taxes, others through the market, others, like yours, have a mix of the two.
    But we know full well that countries with national health care systems spend less overall, per capita on health care than the USA does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    that you don't have to pay through the nose for? and why are insurance companies care more about turning a profit than taking care of their customers? why are they two faced? something needs to change, and fast.
    Answer to the first part - I think never.

    Answer to the second part - Insurance companies that are corporations are specifically designed for profits to be perhaps the only important priority.

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    i grew up in a third world country, partially, so perhaps i'm jaded, but the way i see it, healthcare here is awesome.
    i don't pay a thing, but i'm covered like a mofo. i seriously just walk in to hospitals, flash my card, and get access to all sorts of stuff.
    and i never pay, i think i had to pay like $50 once, the bill was like 100 times that...
    i remember once i was extremely dehydrated so i walked in to a hospital, got a bed, got an iv, got drugged up, and walk out, without ever paying once..

    contrast that to the time i broke my arm in said third world country.. I show up to the hospital, only to find that they were out of plaster...plaster! it's like the most basic of things for a hospital to have...
    so, they went to find an ambulance so they could transfer me to a hospital that had the resources to fix me up...(read plaster..)
    and they couldn't find a driver...

    we ended up just leaving in disgust and driving over to the other hospital ourselves...

    and we paid the whole bill out of pocket, something like 20% of my mom's paycheck.

    so, yeah, from where i'm sitting, healthcare isn't a problem whatsoever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I'm not for just "ONE BIG" insurance company. There has to be competition. After all, that's what yields good prices. If there was just one big company, they could just charge you whatever the hell they want.
    Single payer insurance would be the Government. The fact that there are insurance companies at all is one of the main reasons healthcare is terribly expensive. Insurance companies get lower rates than individuals paying cash, which is sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Even though I know that nationalized healthcare is a tried and true approach throughout the world, I have some hesitation in implementing it in the U.S. I think the current system is broken and destructive to have so much money going to insurance and pharmaceutical companies who only care about profits for the stockholders. The culture of the system has to be changed because it is currently profit-oriented and exploitive. I feel concern that if it were transformed into a government based system that the culture would remain and the exploitive issues would be transferred to the new government system. I do not claim to be the expert, but I have wondered if changing the system to one in which any company that deals with vulnerable populations like the sick is required by law to be non-profit. They could still use the free-market to compete, but first eliminating this focus on stockholders, I wonder if that would help change the culture and then the question of nationalizing it could be readdressed if needed. It may be possible that non-profit status could help fix some of the worst underlying issues.
    This is an interesting idea that seems well worth considering, but rarely mentioned in U.S. debates about health care.
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    wont happen before government takes responsibility for healthcare and not just outsource the costs to insurance companies. would be much wiser to pay the money that people pay for insurance companies to government in form of taxes(after all taxes are or should be payed for common good) and government working for the people, not for companies. but what can you do, the whole political system is rotten and is run by corporations, even tho it should be run by humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    i grew up in a third world country, partially, so perhaps i'm jaded, but the way i see it, healthcare here is awesome.
    i don't pay a thing, but i'm covered like a mofo. i seriously just walk in to hospitals, flash my card, and get access to all sorts of stuff.
    and i never pay, i think i had to pay like $50 once, the bill was like 100 times that...
    i remember once i was extremely dehydrated so i walked in to a hospital, got a bed, got an iv, got drugged up, and walk out, without ever paying once..

    contrast that to the time i broke my arm in said third world country.. I show up to the hospital, only to find that they were out of plaster...plaster! it's like the most basic of things for a hospital to have...
    so, they went to find an ambulance so they could transfer me to a hospital that had the resources to fix me up...(read plaster..)
    and they couldn't find a driver...

    we ended up just leaving in disgust and driving over to the other hospital ourselves...

    and we paid the whole bill out of pocket, something like 20% of my mom's paycheck.

    so, yeah, from where i'm sitting, healthcare isn't a problem whatsoever...
    Generally, the USA shouldn't rest on being better than a third world country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    that you don't have to pay through the nose for? and why are insurance companies care more about turning a profit than taking care of their customers? why are they two faced? something needs to change, and fast.
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