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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I think we could allow more doctors and other medical professionals to be trained without lowering standards significantly. Licensing associations operate kind of like guilds, don't they? They want to keep their numbers down in order to keep their earnings up. We've de-unionized a lot of stuff, but we haven't adressed this issue with the medical profession as far as I can tell.
    It's limited due to the residency program. And to be honest, I hope it stays this way for a while. My wife has taken out around $300,000 in student loans (mostly private loans, so the interest rate is higher) to get through medical school. If doctor salaries fall, it'll take us 30-40 years to pay that off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    It's limited due to the residency program. And to be honest, I hope it stays this way for a while. My wife has taken out around $300,000 in student loans to get through medical school. If doctor salaries fall, it'll take us 30-40 years to pay that off.
    We should have paid for her education, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    We should have paid for her education, IMO.
    I'm sure many doctors would trade lower salaries for free education. I know we would, but some wouldn't, and they're probably the ones who get into highly paid specialities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I'm sure many doctors would trade lower salaries for free education. I know we would, but some wouldn't, and they're probably the ones who get into highly paid specialities.
    What if we paid for their education, eliminated their need for malpractice insurance, made it so they didn't have to worry about collecting payment for their services, or talk to drug reps? Might that sweeten the pot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Medicare and Medicaid do not negotiate drug prices. I think negotiating for a better deal would be a good thing to do.
    There´s clearly some vested interest of big pharma in this setting. If they really wanted, they could quickly enforce negotiation, since pharmaceutical companies are the most profitable companies on earth (I´m not stating an hyperbole - they really are).
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    There´s clearly some vested interest of big pharma in this setting. If they really wanted, they could quickly enforce negotiation, since pharmaceutical companies are the most profitable companies on earth (I´m not stating an hyperbole - they really are).
    I don't doubt it one little bit. They spend a *lot* of money on advertising and I hate to even think how much they spend on political contributions and lobbying. It's insane how much influence they have and the degree to which the corruption is ignored.
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    I have an awful throat problem. I just found out that without insurance it costs $160 to see a general medicine doctor for the first time with on insurance. The general practitioner would then refer me to an ear, nose, and throat doctor. I would then need to pay them $200 for the visit, and an additional $400 in order to pay for pay for an upper endoscopy. I hate this medical care system!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    What if we paid for their education, eliminated their need for malpractice insurance, made it so they didn't have to worry about collecting payment for their services, or talk to drug reps? Might that sweeten the pot?
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    I don't doubt it one little bit. They spend a *lot* of money on advertising and I hate to even think how much they spend on political contributions and lobbying. It's insane how much influence they have and the degree to which the corruption is ignored.
    There is a huge amount of financial waste in the medical system, and you have identified the main problems here. Better to spend the same funds actually providing services to people, especially preventive services, and services that allow the elderly and disabled to remain at home wherever possible. This is usually better for them, and more cost-effective overall. The Affordable Care Act may address some of the issues with payment for services and preventive care, but does not go nearly far enough in addressing the other issues.
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