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    Why are libertarians more likely to vote Republican than Democrat? Because economic freedom grants social freedom, not visa versa. It's easier to repeal crappy Republican legislation (restricting social freedom) than it is to repeal crappy Democrat legislation (restricting economic freedom). Policing sex lives is idiotic and if that were to actually become a federal law, it wouldn't last long. Socialism, on the other hand, is much more difficult to remove. When candidates even whisper of changes to programs like Social Insecurity, they're crucified, labeled as greedy, uncaring bastards.
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    I like this thread. I agree with all of the above.

    Edit: Minus whatever Lat sneaks in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Why are libertarians more likely to vote Republican than Democrat? Because economic freedom grants social freedom, not visa versa.
    I'm a libertarian and I'm always more likely to vote Democrat rather than Republican. Unless you meant "Libertarians" but they are by defintion, right wing fanatics. In fact, if that political compass test showed anything, it was those who tested as "libertarian" were usually on the left. But that is just this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I'm a libertarian and I'm always more likely to vote Democrat rather than Republican. Unless you meant "Libertarians" but they are by defintion, right wing fanatics. In fact, if that political compass test showed anything, it was those who tested as "libertarian" were usually on the left. But that is just this forum.
    None of that is true. "Libertarians" are not right-wing fanatics, and we have our own spectrum away from statists/authoritarians. You know what libertarian means in this day and age. I'd love to call myself a liberal, but that word no long belongs to the small government/civil liberties crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I'm a libertarian and I'm always more likely to vote Democrat rather than Republican. Unless you meant "Libertarians" but they are by defintion, right wing fanatics. In fact, if that political compass test showed anything, it was those who tested as "libertarian" were usually on the left. But that is just this forum.
    You're not a libertarian and libertarians are not right-wing fanatics.

    Most people on this forum test as (mild) socialists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    You're not a libertarian and libertarians are not right-wing fanatics.

    Most people on this forum test as (mild) socialists.
    I agree with you that Kiddo is unlikely to be a libertarian based on what he says, but I find it peculiar that you would assume to know the political stances of the majority of the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    You're not a libertarian and libertarians are not right-wing fanatics.

    Most people on this forum test as (mild) socialists.
    Why can't I be a libertarian? I value liberty and question authority. I test on the libertarian side of the spectrum. The founding fathers who are considered the true classical liberals were found on both sides of the economic spectrum. Are you going to claim that Chomsky isn't a libertarian even though most of the world would identify with his kind of libertarianism as "anarchy" or "classically liberal"?

    And Big "L" Libertarians are right fanatics by defintion of their party. They pretend they are true libertarians, but they argue that everyone has to accept their defintion of "economic freedom", which is the right wing imposed concept of "property" as opposed to the more common sense concept of "possession". It's my belief that true economic freedom is you own only the land which you possess by living and working on it, but once you no longer possess it by no longer living or working on it, it is up for grabs.

    It seems strange that I'm not allowed to be a "libertarian" because I don't accept your concept of "property" and "inheritance". I thought libertarians were for individual freedom of choice?

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    It seems to me that you just want to impose your own defintion of libertarianism on everyone so you can exclude those who don't fall into your particular economic camp. That isn't very libertarian of you. If I followed your example I would say, "You aren't a libertarian you are just a (mild) capitalist." Which would be a dumb statement since libertarianism by defintion isn't suppose to hold one sort of economic philosophy over another. Everyone from anarcho-communists to anarcho-capitalists are libertarians. Economic philosophy has nothing to do with it because people have different definitions of what it means to be economically free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Economic philosophy has nothing to do with it because people have different definitions of what it means to be economically free.
    You're right that people have different definitions of freedom, but if you're willing to adapt a category to any old definition it ceases to be remotely useful for, you know, categorizing. So you have to go by the consensus, which is that libertarianism promotes individual liberty, rather than social liberty...which seems to be what you endorse. (the latter type of liberty I think is non-existant, but whatever. I'm not in charge of how people talk...yet.)

    Oh, and philosophy has everything to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    You're right that people have different definitions of freedom, but if you're willing to adapt a category to any old definition it ceases to be remotely useful for, you know, categorizing. So you have to go by the consensus, which is that libertarianism promotes individual liberty, rather than social liberty...which seems to be what you endorse.
    Huh? Where did I say that I don't advocate individual liberty? That is the only kind of liberty there is. Liberty by defintion is "individual choice." The only difference between me and Lateralus is our idea of economic freedom. He holds a capitalistic ideal of freedom and I hold a socialistic ideal of freedom. But both of us are libertarians, just with different economic philosophies. Hence why there are "anarcho communists", "libertarian socialists", "libertarian collectivists", "mutalists", "libertarian capitalists", and "anarcho capitalists". There is a whole economic spectrum of libertarians.

    It doesn't make anymore sense for me to argue that he isn't a libertarian because he has capitalistic leanings than it does for him to argue that I am not a libertarian because I have socialistic leanings.
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