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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Conservative media has already begun a dubious offensive claiming these numbers are cooked by the administration.
    It was funny -- the user community on ABCNews, which trends conservative (not like Fox, but at least the online community does for them) had a resounding 53% vote for the option labeled, "The numbers can't be trusted" option in a four-item, select one poll about the unemployment data (versus other [less cynical] opinions of the data).

    IOW: 53%, instead of wondering what conclusions could be drawn from the data, simply said the data must be fraudulent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I feel bad for the bulk of the voting populace that is hit by so much competing data, they have no idea how to sift through it accurately. No wonder so many people say "screw it" and just vote for the guy they like the most or vote for someone who models their ethical ideals; it's the only stable anchor they can find in a political process full of noise, lies, and half-truths.
    Well said.

    I often come away from these debates with something like, "If the facts and axioms that this guy is using in his arguments are actually true, then his logic is actually reasonable and I'd definitely consider him. But how the hell do I sift through the bullshit to figure out which facts are accurate?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    Well said.

    I often come away from these debates with something like, "If the facts and axioms that this guy is using in his arguments are actually true, then his logic is actually reasonable and I'd definitely consider him. But how the hell do I sift through the bullshit to figure out which facts are accurate?"
    Clearly you and all the other voters should get a degree in economics and watch C-SPAN all day. Or you get actual journalism back.

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    I don't like Obama or Romney and I won't vote for either, but I saw the debate and it was clear that Romney simply dominated Obama. Romney was the alpha dog in the room. From body language to rhetoric, he was the leader and Obama and the moderator were followers. I really expected Obama to do better. This won't make me vote for Romney, but I was surprised to see Romney come out so strongly.
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    Right now, I'm watching the 1984 debate between George Bush and Geraldine Ferraro.

    It's fascinating how utterly irrelevant the topics they are talking about are in relationship to the big picture as to what is going on in the US and the world. You would think there would be some relevance to the current day issues because they are not completely different. I think Bush 1 was actually pretty good. He's quite knowledgeable. He seems passionate on what he believes in. Bush 2 IMO will go down as one of the worst presidents of the history of the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    It's fascinating how utterly irrelevant the topics they are talking about are in relationship to the big picture as to what is going on in the US and the world. You would think there would be some relevance to the current day issues because they are not completely different. I think Bush 1 was actually pretty good. He's quite knowledgeable. He seems passionate on what he believes in. Bush 2 IMO will go down as one of the worst presidents of the history of the US.
    Bush 1 had his flaws, but I think he also had some strengths. He seems to be a pretty straightforward ISTJ type, traditional mindset -- so it's possible to anticipate what those strengths vs flaws are. At least he was ultra-responsible and diligent. I think he also made the more extroverted Reagan a solid #2.
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    Here's why Obama threw the first debate (a ha!):

    Headline from Yahoo News:
    Romney shows softer side; Obama raising more cash
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Here's why Obama threw the first debate (a ha!):

    Headline from Yahoo News:
    I don't follow. He threw the debate to raise money?

    Right now, the projections for the House, Senate, and President (when electoral college is accounted for), all make this look like a "status quo" election...which is rather uninspiring.

    I am in a swing district for the House, and it is a choice between someone I respect and have voted for years, and a new guy I hadn't heard much about, but like. Plus, there are a lot of propositions that I need to think about.

    The problem with keeping an open mind about elections, is that I am far more likely to feel a "voter's remorse" than someone who just block votes for candidates and positions by a "this is what my party wants" mentality.

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    @ygolo... yeah...half joking, but the dems have definitely used it to beg for cash ....sick of getting emails asking for money
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