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    This doesnt surprise me, expecting a ban on man-woman events any day now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    A parent-child dance should be a completely acceptable alternative, this way the child chooses. No need for Footloose-type bans.
    Yeah, seems pretty simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
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    Oh, I was waiting for both of these posts to be made.

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    PS. If men-women events go, at least we'll still have man-horse events and women-dog events, never fear!
    (I mean the professional steeplechases and the "best of show" dog competitions, naturally.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Sounds reasonable to me. Have a formal parent/child dance, open to kids and parents of both genders. Same with basketball, or whatever else they come up with. Also (and I have seen this done many places), allow other adults to take the place of mother or father when the actual parent is unavailable: grandparents, aunts, uncles, older brother/sister, etc.

    The way to eliminate sexism is not to discontinue exclusive events/benefits, but to open them up to both genders. Then everyone gains vs. everyone losing.
    Exactly this. There's no need to celebrate "father-daughter" specifically rather than just "parent-child" unless promoting gender stereotypes is a goal. For some people it is, but for me, it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post

    PS. If men-women events go, at least we'll still have man-horse events and women-dog events, never fear!
    (I mean the professional steeplechases and the "best of show" dog competitions, naturally.)
    What about man-sack or woman-sack events?

    You've made me worry now about a potential future where all burlap and hessian based fun is outlawed on grounds of unfairness to sacks....the horror of it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Exactly this. There's no need to celebrate "father-daughter" specifically rather than just "parent-child" unless promoting gender stereotypes is a goal. For some people it is, but for me, it isn't.
    Putting aside the debate concerning to what degree gender stereotypes are due to culture versus physiology, mothers (and mother-figures) as well as fathers (and father-figures) provide a crucial socialization role for children of the opposite sex in terms of adult relationships and social interactions (of all kinds) between the sexes (otherwise known as the foundation of all human societies). Refusing to acknowledge the importance of such parental relationships and the ways in which they differ from same-sex parent-child socialization is no better* than promoting the exlusion of families and individuals that are exceptions to typical gender dynamics in parenting. In short, I am promoting not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, not simply promoting gender stereotypes for the hell of it. At the very least, this is something that belongs within the realm of public debate and local choice, not forced on a school system through the threat of lawsuits.**

    *From a utilitarian standpoint, its probably worse.

    **Excluding atypical child/parent relationships from such thematic events is another matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Putting aside the debate concerning to what degree gender stereotypes are due to culture versus physiology, mothers (and mother-figures) as well as fathers (and father-figures) provide a crucial socialization role for children of the opposite sex in terms of adult relationships and social interactions (of all kinds) between the sexes (otherwise known as the foundation of all human societies). Refusing to acknowledge the importance of such parental relationships and the ways in which they differ from same-sex parent-child socialization is no better* than promoting the exlusion of families and individuals that are exceptions to typical gender dynamics in parenting. In short, I am promoting not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, not simply promoting gender stereotypes for the hell of it. At the very least, this is something that belongs within the realm of public debate and local choice, not forced on a school system through the threat of lawsuits.**

    *From a utilitarian standpoint, its probably worse.

    **Excluding atypical child/parent relationships from such thematic events is another matter.
    You know this applies to a lot of things, its difficult to fault the intentions behind it all, ie avoiding the exclusion of the untypical in families, relationships etc., but there is no doubt a tipping point beyond which the socialisation or development of the typical is being interfered with.

    Constant deference to minorities I would wager will be looked upon in the future as just as mistaken as people of today treat the majoritarianism of the not so distant past.

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