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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    -Salary without cost of living data is not useful.
    At $71,000, its useful enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    And the purpose of public unions is to do so at the expense of every other tax-payer and voting citizen....since, you know, they work for a democratically elected government and are paid with tax revenues.
    That's fine. They perform a service to society and are generally under-compensated compared to equivalent private sector jobs. I'd prefer my tax money go to educating our children than blowing up other people's children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    And the purpose of public unions is to do so at the expense of every other tax-payer and voting citizen....since, you know, they work for a democratically elected government and are paid with tax revenues.
    Cant be the best paid state employees surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    teaches should be paid more than celebrities.
    So should soilders, firefighters, and my mother....you can't have sustainable public goods provision while paying public employees about 50% more than per capita GDP, that's just reality. The high social esteem certain public workers recieve is, in part, a compensating mechanism for that reality....and much of that esteem is contigent on said public employees actually fulfilling their duties in the absence of an extremely compelling reason not to. I have the utmost respect for teachers in general*, but not any of the teachers in Chicago who wish to strike under these circumstances.

    *one of my sisters is a teacher, and my mother was briefly a teacher before she became a caseworker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Cant be the best paid state employees surely?
    No, and I would have absolutely no problem if politicians earned less than teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    No, and I would have absolutely no problem if politicians earned less than teachers.
    Are politicians the best paid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Are politicians the best paid?
    I know some who make well over $160,000 per year working for the city of Seattle..

    EDIT: I'm referring to union employees, not politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    I know some who make well over $160,000 per year working for the city of Seattle..
    Teachers? Why? How do you know them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Teachers? Why? How do you know them?
    No not teachers. I was referring to members of other public unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    At $71,000, its useful enough.
    Can I assume you believe $71,000 is too much to pay a teacher, regardless of the cost of living? I don't think it is. I wouldn't mind if that was the national average salary for teachers. I mean, that's a position that requires a college degree, and many teachers have graduate degrees on top of their bachelor's degree. That's not an unreasonable average salary given the education level.
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