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    I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Obama. He seems to be the lesser of the corporate shills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    I don't really want to. It just seems like the picking of the lesser evil....
    You say that as if that isn't a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    You say that as if that isn't a good idea.
    In the big scheme of things, I see it as very important thing to do but on the individual level, I see politics as Machiavellian more than anything else in which I am not all that personally invested.

    Saying that, I will most likely vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    That I like your sig. What a well developed persona, for someone so new.



    On topic, I genuinely like one of the candidates and will be voting for him this election. Last election I did not vote although it was my first time eligible to do so, my political conviction was not quite established at age eighteen as it is now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    I'm not voting. And it's not because I dislike either candidate (even though I do dislike them), it's a more personal reason. I don't want any human to have control over me; I don't want a leader or someone higher to look up to. Therefore by choosing never to vote for any political official, I also choose not to acknowledge that their leadership over me is meaningless.
    This is interesting. Would you care to go into detail a little more about who you would like to be leading? Are you talking a different form of government? ( if it's not too personal)
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    Yeah, I'm voting. I just wish I could go into suspended animation until then. Election season gives me ulcers.

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    The day California turns red... would be a strange day indeed. Even though my vote is a drop in the bucket (I have a higher chance of getting struck by lightning than having my vote count.) I'll still vote.

    With all the new districts being rolled out this year, I would hope that at least the ones I like... would represent my district (federal, state, and city.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    This is interesting. Would you care to go into detail a little more about who you would like to be leading? Are you talking a different form of government? ( if it's not too personal)
    I'm an anarchist . . . well not 'anarchist' in that I think that we should be without government, but rather I disregard all forms of society, government, and external leadership with contempt, and while as an individual stand opposed to it, I merely keep a low profile and suffer under its domination so as to not endanger my safety or wellbeing. Now while some types of government are preferable to others in that those preferable types will come to benefit me, there is no perfect method of government that I will ever truly appreciate in relation to my own freedom. The same can be said for all of society and humanity at large.

    Additionally, I choose not to vote for either candidate for more practical reasons; each ones holds some views that I agree with and others that I disagree with, so neither really preaches the ideals that I wholly desire. Voting also means supporting that individual for all that they do once they attain office, so if I vote for the one who becomes president and they commit actions that are bad, then by extension I am responsible in part for that happening. Politicians also tend to be power-hungry dirt-bags or incompetent bureaucrats (very true in this election), so support for such insignificant shits that are beneath me is out of the question.

    To be honest, I would like to see myself on top of it all. To be the grand leader and rule maker; and as rule maker, I can choose to break the laws at will. I can will as I please while the rest of the world beckons at my control. That is true, unrefined freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Voting also means supporting that individual for all that they do once they attain office, so if I vote for the one who becomes president and they commit actions that are bad, then by extension I am responsible in part for that happening.
    While you are responsible for putting them in office, it's ridiculous to assume that one's vote becomes tacit support for whatever the president ends up doing.

    Campaign promises, and what a sitting president actually ends up doing are, almost of necessity, two entirely different things.

    During a campaign a candidate has to first craft a message that will appeal to those who vote in the primaries. The most stridently partisan group of any political party.

    Once one is the candidate of choice for the general election, they then have to pull a massive U-turn (as quietly as possible) to craft a message that appeals to the middle of the electorate.

    Once elected, they do what they want, regardless of what they said.

    While we knew that health care reform would be a part of an Obama presidency, no one knew that Obama would forgo economic issues to push through the ACA while he had both sides of congress under his wing.

    We vote with the hope that our pick will do a better job of moving the country forward than the other guy would have. We can't know what the president elect plans on doing, and as such can't either support or oppose it at the time we cast our vote.

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