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    On the concept of privilege, sure there's "relative privilege" like if you're with a group of friends and people pull out their smart phones to play some game-app together to kill the time and DAMMIT they all have Iphones and you have a Nokia so can't play, you could say they are privileged in that moment in a way that you aren't. You could also say there are qualifiers to quality of life and access to opportunity, like wealth, education, abled-bodiness, etc. other than race.

    For the purposes of this campaign though it's talking specifically about white privilege in the context of the rest of society. Society trumps all. Whatever other microcosms and episodic situations one may find themselves in, those situations are all filed somewhere under Society. With a capital 'S'. That's also why this campaign exists. Because, even though there's a relative absence of people of color in that particular city (to be "privileged over") that doesn't change the reality of white privilege.

    And that's an interesting point about paternalism or a 'saviour complex' that's been raised. Except in this case it's more "white people (through institutions) speaking to other white people (individually)" and not necessarily "white people swooping down to the inner city/Africa to help the less fortunate". Peers speaking to peers.

    Also, statistically, there aren't a lot of people of color period in that city to be saved or lectured to in the city.

    Also, Victor, I'm pretty sure white privilege happens in Australia, too.
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    Advertising campaigns speak about what they say they speak about?

    IF YOU'RE A GOOD WHITE PERSON, YOU'RE FAIR. FAIR SKINNED PEOPLE ARE FAIR! FAIR IS FAIR!

    So, this advertising campaign wasn't sponsored by some Aryan pride organisation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    On the concept of privilege, sure there's "relative privilege" like if you're with a group of friends and people pull out their smart phones to play some game-app together to kill the time and DAMMIT they all have Iphones and you have a Nokia so can't play, you could say they are privileged in that moment in a way that you aren't. You could also say there are qualifiers to quality of life and access to opportunity, like wealth, education, abled-bodiness, etc. other than race.

    For the purposes of this campaign though it's talking specifically about white privilege in the context of the rest of society. Society trumps all. Whatever other microcosms and episodic situations one may find themselves in, those situations are all filed somewhere under Society. With a capital 'S'. That's also why this campaign exists. Because, even though there's a relative absence of people of color in that particular city (to be "privileged over") that doesn't change the reality of white privilege.

    And that's an interesting point about paternalism or a 'saviour complex' that's been raised. Except in this case it's more "white people (through institutions) speaking to other white people (individually)" and not necessarily "white people swooping down to the inner city/Africa to help the less fortunate". Peers speaking to peers.

    Also, statistically, there aren't a lot of people of color period in that city to be saved or lectured to in the city.

    Also, Victor, I'm pretty sure white privilege happens in Australia, too.
    If people think that getting rid of "white privilege" will make society more fair, they are deluding themselves. People will just find another criteria to rally around. "White privilege" can only be replaced by some other sort of privilege.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    If people think that getting rid of "white privilege" will make society more fair, they are deluding themselves. People will just find another criteria to rally around. "White privilege" can only be replaced by some other sort of privilege.
    You mean a new privilege will be created? Like suddenly people with pretty feet will become gods amongst men? Or that an existing privilege will become the new hegemony? It's interesting though in your statement the assumption seems to be that white privilege trumps all others in the hierarchy? Which I don't think was ever stated in the article or the campaign. But, I think that speaks volumes to how pervasive and far reaching the ramifications of race in America are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Victor, I'm pretty sure white privilege happens in Australia, too.
    And here I am on a site that follows the Aryan, Führer lover, Carl Jung, and mocks the Jew, Sigmund Freud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And here I am on a site that follows the Aryan, Führer lover, Carl Jung, and mocks the Jew, Sigmund Freud.
    Please link your arguments...so you're saying "yes white privilege does exist in Australia but there is more racism on this [American] forum than in all of Australia?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Please link your arguments...so you're saying "yes white privilege does exist in Australia but there is more racism on this [American] forum than in all of Australia?"
    C'mon you must know by now I don't link arguments. Rather I juxtapose different elements to contrast in exactly the same way a painter puts paint on a canvas.

    So it is futile to accuse me of not arguing correctly when I am not arguing anymore than a painting argues.

    Also I have noticed that most argue here for quite ulterior motives. And the point of the argument is to hide their motives.

    So should I conspire with them to hide their motives, or should I seek to contrast and illuminate their motives, hidden even from themselves?

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    Let's get it back on track folks!

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    20 years ago, just when a civil war broke out in my country of birth, my parents decided to uproot their family and emigrate 10000 miles to a place with a completely different culture and language. The only thing that we brought with us was $100 that my mother hid in her shoe, because exporting foreign currency was illegal. To stay afloat, my dad did side jobs while my mom enrolled in a community college. I remember her coming back home in tears because she couldn't keep up with classes due to the language barrier, but she would still stay up at night just to get through through all the assigned material. Eventually she graduated, and now works as a licensed medical technician, making a decent living because she is in a union. Her eldest son became a medical physicist and her youngest was a USMC officer, an attorney, plus bunch of other things (hard to keep up)

    And we all owe it to the color of our skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Let's get it back on track folks!
    Oh God, steam trains run on tracks, print tracks across the page, but this is not a steam train or print, it is electronic print, it has its own rhythm, its own meaning, those who still run on tracks are merely the content of electronic print. But they can't help forcing us to run on their tracks, stretching to the vanishing point on the horizon.

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