User Tag List

First 12345 Last

Results 21 to 30 of 105

  1. #21
    LL P. Stewie Beorn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    4,813

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Well, I'm against direct tax evasion or simply not paying taxes in the same way I am tax loopholes and tax shelters, particularly one most people can't use. Is that an assault on economic and property rights? The legal ways to not pay taxes is about freedom or property, and the illegal ways, what? Somehow aren't the same? That's like saying if you find a way to legally run someone over, you have that right and there's nothing wrong with it, but get the same result in another fashion and we throw you in prison. Just because he can do it, doesn't mean it's right or should be permitted.
    There is a difference between civil law that is wrong to disobey because it is immoral and civil law that is wrong because it is against the civil law. Legal tax evasion is only wrong if you believe the state has a moral claim to the property of its citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    I'm not particularly a fan that Romney, in 2010 basically got to choose to pay an income tax rate lower than someone making 8,300 dollars, and wants to lower his own tax bracket even more beyond that. And I certainly think the idea of dodging taxes all you can is the opposite of American, even if you do think they're too high.

    And if your running for the President of a country, I think actually paying into the system as intended at least shows a level of patriotism. Maybe you want to reform that system, but certainly playing by the rules and being willing to invest in the country you allegedly believe in is a sign of faith in that country?
    Where didn't he play by the rules?
    If being a patriot means sacrificing your property to the whims of lobbyists and corrupt politicians you can count me out. I believe patriotism is rooted in love of your local place and community and has nothing to do with the tribute you send to DC.
    Take the weakest thing in you
    And then beat the bastards with it
    And always hold on when you get love
    So you can let go when you give it

  2. #22
    LL P. Stewie Beorn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    4,813

    Default

    Btw, after watching the McCaine speech I'm glad Obama won.

    Seriously.

    McCaine's major complaint about Obama was that he didn't start a war with Iran when he had the chance.

    As much as I hate Obamacare and the totality of the president's first term it pales in comparison to the death and financial ruin that would come from starting a war with Iran.
    Take the weakest thing in you
    And then beat the bastards with it
    And always hold on when you get love
    So you can let go when you give it

  3. #23
    Sweet Ocean Cloud SD45T-2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    1w2 so/sp
    Posts
    2,761

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Agreed. However, I don't approve of the federal income tax as I don't approve of the massive centralization of power in DC which means that the ones ones control the people's money are incredibly removed from the everyday citizens who earn their money and property.
    What arrangement would you consider to be ideal?
    1w2-6w5-3w2 so/sp

    "I took one those personality tests. It came back negative." - Dan Mintz

  4. #24
    FigerPuppet
    Guest

    Default

    Paul Ryan is a filthy lying swine. The voters better give him a jolt to the forehead.

  5. #25
    Tempbanned
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Enneagram
    8w9
    Posts
    14,031

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    I'm not particularly a fan that Romney, in 2010 basically got to choose to pay an income tax rate lower than someone making 8,300 dollars, and wants to lower his own tax bracket even more beyond that. And I certainly think the idea of dodging taxes all you can is the opposite of American, even if you do think they're too high.

    And if your running for the President of a country, I think actually paying into the system as intended at least shows a level of patriotism. Maybe you want to reform that system, but certainly playing by the rules and being willing to invest in the country you allegedly believe in is a sign of faith in that country?
    Show me where Barack Obama chose to pay more than his bracket asked of him, or where any Democrat paid more in taxes than the gov't asked of them out of some sense of social justice, and I will shut my mouth.

  6. #26
    Senior Member ZPowers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w4
    Posts
    1,492

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Show me where Barack Obama chose to pay more than his bracket asked of him, or where any Democrat paid more in taxes than the gov't asked of them out of some sense of social justice, and I will shut my mouth.
    First off, you're equivocating voluntarily paying extra and intentionally taking steps to pay less than you are suppose to. Those are not the same thing. It's difference between giving 50 dollars extra at the supermarket and pulling some scam to get discounted groceries. To put him on an even keel with Romney, the latter tactics must also be included as an acceptable approach to tax paying. In that comparison, the fact that there are tax dodges he could employ and doesn't is a form of paying more than he has to.

    Additionally, Obama is a millionaire who supports raising taxes on millionaires (as are many Democratic politicians). He is actually campaigning on the idea of forcing him to pay more, ostensibly with an aim better the nation (whether you agree that that is the correct approach or not is irrelevant to this specific point). Should this not count, in the very least, as an attempt to pay additional taxes, since that is literally the goal he is pursuing?

    It is also perhaps worth noting he gave 22% of his total income to charity. Romney gave around 15% to the Mormon church essentially exclusively (also BYU), but this is undercut somewhat by the fact that this is actually a requirement of faithful members of the Mormon religion (I'll give him this: the Mormon church flatly asks for 10% of your income, anything above that is encouraged but not as forwardly necessary to being a good Mormon).


    PS I was surprised that even Fox News released a piece criticizing Ryan's speech as being packed with lies and distractions: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...n-three-words/
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

  7. #27
    Permabanned
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    xkcd
    Enneagram
    9w1 sx/sp
    Socionics
    INT_
    Posts
    10,733

    Default

    Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words

    Paul Ryan's speech was three things: dazzling, deceiving, and distracting.

    From Fox News!

    FOX NEWS

  8. #28
    garbage
    Guest

    Default

    Paul Ryan: "My playlist starts with AC/DC, and ends with Zeppelin."

    HE'S MISSING HALF OF THE ALPHABET

    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Paul had enough delegates to be nominated on the floor and be given an opportunity to give a non-Romney approved speech. Unfortunately and predictably the RNC pulled strings, manipulated the rules and pulled out all the stops to deny Paul a nomination.

    Edit: video of the RNC forcing rule changes down the throats of the delegation: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3838576&newclip
    Wow, I guess it turns out that I actually side with Sarah Palin on something.

  9. #29
    Senior Member Wolfie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    MBTI
    xNxx
    Enneagram
    4w5 so
    Posts
    555

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    Paul Ryan: "My playlist starts with AC/DC, and ends with Zeppelin."

    HE'S MISSING HALF OF THE ALPHABET

    Maybe he puts it into his itunes as "Zeppelin, Led"
    ( . )( . )

  10. #30
    garbage
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Maybe he puts it into his itunes as "Zeppelin, Led"
    He'd still be missing ZZ Top

Similar Threads

  1. Gay Male Escorts Were The Biggest Winners At This Week’s Republican Convention
    By LovecraftianMonstrosity in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 07-26-2016, 08:47 AM
  2. National Character?
    By SolitaryWalker in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 71
    Last Post: 12-29-2009, 03:29 PM
  3. Extroverted Judgment and Conventions/Traditions
    By proteanmix in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 02-15-2008, 06:53 AM
  4. How do you feel about your nation's corporations?
    By Ezra in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 02-13-2008, 02:23 AM
  5. Kid Nation
    By Atomic Fiend in forum Arts & Entertainment
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 11-28-2007, 09:18 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO