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    I'm baffled he was found sane. If that's sane, "crazy" has no meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I'm baffled he was found sane. If that's sane, "crazy" has no meaning.
    He is part of a political movement so to give his behaviour a psychiatric interpretation misses the point.

    There is also another political movement at the other end of the political spectrum and it would be an equal mistake to give them a psychiatric interpretation.

    What is important is to defeat these violent anti-democratic movements politically. So we need to understand them politically.

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    He's never going to be freed. The justice system of Norway has a method for dealing with people of this dangerous level; once the 22 years are up, they'll consider him a threat, and reevaluate his sentence another 5 years, then do again indefinitely.

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    He wanted to start a race war in Europe and he hated multicultralism...

    Forgive my South London butt but that alone is fucked up; and then the whole taking a year off work to play World of Warcraft before killing people dressed up as a policeman.

    He's just another yokel relgious gun nut douche bag virgin lame out dated white supremest nerd/geek; but only worse because he killed so many fuckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    He is part of a political movement so to give his behaviour a psychiatric interpretation misses the point.
    What point? The fact that Norway DIDN'T wish to condem these acts as the actions of a mad man and don't want to dismiss such thinking as 'insane' tells me Norway didn't disagree with what he said, just what he did.


    But again, I'm from London, so fuck that mentality.

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    Depends what their legal definition of sane is.

    If it's something like 'able to anticipate and appraise the effect of one's actions' then they'd probably have to call him sane. He may have had batshit crazy ideas but if he knew what he was doing then I don't see a choice.

    Also I'm not sure how they deal with people who aren't sane by that definition. That would need to be considered, too.

    Edit: also, at least where I live, being judged sane is probably the next worst thing that can happen to you if you did something this bad since it means you get the full extent of the law AND it's entirely your fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I'm baffled he was found sane. If that's sane, "crazy" has no meaning.
    Well they said that he was personally sane but had adopted political insanity of the kind which is around and has been around.

    Monsterous creeds lead to monsterous deeds but that's not the same as being insane. Not everyone who kills someone is mad, a lot of people are just bad.

    In a bizarre and sick fashion I see this as an attempt of a pretty isolated and singular individual to reach out and make a connection, he has asked to be able to write to other "like minded people" and clearly from the hatching of his plan all the way through he has imagined that he was part of a wider covert movement or working for and related to an abstraction to which he could belong and be prepared to sacrifice for, everything but particularly others.

    It seems like a clear example of a necrophilious personality, his biophilious self was totally blocked, probably through self-sabotage, and so those compelling energies dont simply dissipate so they mutated into the necrophile variety with the results which everyone knows about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Depends what their legal definition of sane is.

    If it's something like 'able to anticipate and appraise the effect of one's actions' then they'd probably have to call him sane. He may have had batshit crazy ideas but if he knew what he was doing then I don't see a choice.

    Also I'm not sure how they deal with people who aren't sane by that definition. That would need to be considered, too.

    Edit: also, at least where I live, being judged sane is probably the next worst thing that can happen to you if you did something this bad since it means you get the full extent of the law AND it's entirely your fault.
    Yeah I think its seriously important that its clear this was not an involuntary action he had a choice and a number recourses to different actions, even if you accept his ugly ideology its not automatically necessary that murder be the result, that's important. He's not being punished for his ideas and having those ideas does not automatically warrant labelling and punitive controls. That happened to people who did not accept Marxism in the USSR and its an abuse of psychology.

    Part of the handling of this entire thing has been dealing with this guy and not providing the sorts of responses which he expects and hopes for from the authorities and the civil society which he despises.

    To be honest they more I think about it the less it seems that different from the Manson family/Helter Skelter killings, the goal of which was further racist violence too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeitlikethat View Post
    What point? The fact that Norway DIDN'T wish to condem these acts as the actions of a mad man and don't want to dismiss such thinking as 'insane' tells me Norway didn't disagree with what he said, just what he did.


    But again, I'm from London, so fuck that mentality.
    I'm not sure about that, especially since they have said that his ideas are a kind of political insanity, given that Norway is among the vanguard or advanced socialist policies and social structures there's absolutely no way that you could for a moment believe that there was anything at all in common between Norway and this neo-nazis thinking or ideas.

    In fact man just think for a moment about what you just typed. While I go to look a paintings to calm down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    He is part of a political movement so to give his behaviour a psychiatric interpretation misses the point.

    There is also another political movement at the other end of the political spectrum and it would be an equal mistake to give them a psychiatric interpretation.

    What is important is to defeat these violent anti-democratic movements politically. So we need to understand them politically.
    But I thought that's exactly what you've done Victor, arent all the diverse players you dont like simply all in a pseudo-religious trance?

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