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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    They weren't plea bargains in either case. These were their pleas which were both tossed, the judges/juries finding them guilty of assorted counts of murder, sane and not in self-defense.
    I had to look it up. Dahmer plead not guilty by reason of insanity and that was ultimately rejected. He was found guilty but Wisconsin does not have the death penalty. I was confused and thought he plead guilty.

    P.S. Breivik isn't technically a serial killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I had to look it up. Dahmer plead not guilty by reason of insanity and that was ultimately rejected. He was found guilty but Wisconsin does not have the death penalty. I was confused and thought he plead guilty.

    P.S. Breivik isn't technically a serial killer.
    Pardon me, mass murderer.

    So, let's take this dog's action against the horse. If not put down, he did attempt murder, possibly attempted murder on the human riding the animal. What would you suggest? A trial by jury? Who should judge him since his peers would be other dogs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Pardon me, mass murderer.

    So, let's take this dog's action against the horse. If not put down, he did attempt murder, possibly attempted murder on the human riding the animal. What would you suggest? A trial by jury? Who should judge him since his peers would be other dogs?
    Nay! I oppose any trial where the dog is a defendant, the dog is not human but property.

    However, if the owner of the property objects to the legal proceedings then one could ultimately end up with a jury trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Nay! I oppose any trial where the dog is a defendant, the dog is not human but property.

    However, if the owner of the property objects to the legal proceedings then one could ultimately end up with a jury trial.
    So you believe the owner is ultimately responsible for attempted murder and possible manslaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    So you believe the owner is ultimately responsible for attempted murder and possible manslaughter.
    Nay! One cannot murder a horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Nay! One cannot murder a horse.
    Do you know for certain that the horse was the only target of this dog's vicious attacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Do you know for certain that the horse was the only target of this dog's vicious attacks?
    Only from what I read, counselor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Only from what I read, counselor.
    The article presented solely focused on damage done, rather than intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    The article presented solely focused on damage done, rather than intent.
    Better get the dog whisperer then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Better get the dog whisperer then.
    Or possibly forensic investigators to try to replicate trajectory of attacks. The policeman on the horse will also be able to provide eye-witness evidence and potentially display puncture wounds on boots or articles of clothing.

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