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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    The same could be said of the MBTI.
    You're absolutely right, although I would argue that political beliefs are much easier to change than one's personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    You're absolutely right, although I would argue that political beliefs are much easier to change than one's personality.
    I would argue the reverse. People would far sooner overlook or diminish aspects of the personality that they don't like than change their political beliefs.

    For example, there are some females who are thinkers and some males who are feelers, but because of how feeling is associated with femininity and thinking is associated with masculinity, they answer those particular questions less than honestly, and the result is they get types that don't correspond with their way of thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I would argue the reverse. People would far sooner overlook or diminish aspects of the personality that they don't like than change their political beliefs.

    For example, there are some females who are thinkers and some males who are feelers, but because of how feeling is associated with femininity and thinking is associated with masculinity, they answer those particular questions less than honestly, and the result is they get types that don't correspond with their way of thinking.
    I highly doubt that is as common as you think it is. In fact, people coming to MBTI as "virgins" wouldn't even think about how feeling or thinking are associated, because they wouldn't have biases built in. I know that I didn't, and I still don't really see why feeling = feminine and thinking = masculine. It didn't even enter my mind when I was first tested. It's counterintuitive (pardon the pun), but many people seem to be MORE biased the more they learn about MBTI. It should be the reverse.

    As for political beliefs, people change more often than you seem to let on. I know more than one person who had been socially conservative and fiscally moderate/liberal in high school, became hippie-ish liberals in college, and are now centrist "good government" types in their white-collar 20s. It happens as people grow up. Personalities change, as well, but I don't think it's nearly as conscious an effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I highly doubt that is as common as you think it is. In fact, people coming to MBTI as "virgins" wouldn't even think about how feeling or thinking are associated, because they wouldn't have biases built in. I know that I didn't, and I still don't really see why feeling = feminine and thinking = masculine. It didn't even enter my mind when I was first tested. It's counterintuitive (pardon the pun), but many people seem to be MORE biased the more they learn about MBTI. It should be the reverse.
    That is true. And the same could also probably be said of a political test.

    As for political beliefs, people change more often than you seem to let on. I know more than one person who had been socially conservative and fiscally moderate/liberal in high school, became hippie-ish liberals in college, and are now centrist "good government" types in their white-collar 20s. It happens as people grow up. Personalities change, as well, but I don't think it's nearly as conscious an effort.
    Oh I agree. When it comes to actual change, I think people change their political beliefs far easier than their personalities. I thought we were discussing manipulating the tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    That is true. And the same could also probably be said of a political test.



    Oh I agree. When it comes to actual change, I think people change their political beliefs far easier than their personalities. I thought we were discussing manipulating the tests.
    No, no, I meant that it's easier to get to a different place on the political quiz by consciously or subconsciously changing your beliefs than it would be change your personality wholesale. As a personal example, I don't know how I would be introverted. There are times in life when I want to be alone, but I can't imagine not being an extrovert. On the other hand, I can read about Marxism or anarchism or social democracy or Kirkean conservatism and see whatever logic there may be in those systems of thought (even though I disagree with them). If you want to be at that low-central spot on the chart, you can be. If you wanted to be an ESFJ, that would be a major, major change, wouldn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    No, no, I meant that it's easier to get to a different place on the political quiz by consciously or subconsciously changing your beliefs than it would be change your personality wholesale. As a personal example, I don't know how I would be introverted. There are times in life when I want to be alone, but I can't imagine not being an extrovert. On the other hand, I can read about Marxism or anarchism or social democracy or Kirkean conservatism and see whatever logic there may be in those systems of thought (even though I disagree with them). If you want to be at that low-central spot on the chart, you can be. If you wanted to be an ESFJ, that would be a major, major change, wouldn't it?
    Oh, well that depends entirely on the individual. For those who are close to the border on some preferences, it would be much easier for them to change their personality as opposed to their political preferences on the test. For example, I am INXX so depending on my mood I could get results as an INTP, INFP, INFJ, and INTJ. That is far easier for me to change than my political beliefs, which have always been left on the socioeconomic spectrum, even though I have a great disdain for revolutionary communism and some socialist practices.
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    I guess Dark Razor deleted his post?

    I think far more Americans are libertarian than they realize. They're duped into believing they're something else by outside influences. In my life it's been extremely rare to meet someone who, when you go issue by issue, doesn't have strong libertarian leanings at their core. Most people have one or two issues (abortion, healthcare, etc) which make them believe they're most closely aligned with one of the major political parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I guess Dark Razor deleted his post?

    I think far more Americans are libertarian than they realize. They're duped into believing they're something else by outside influences. In my life it's been extremely rare to meet someone who, when you go issue by issue, doesn't have strong libertarian leanings at their core. Most people have one or two issues (abortion, healthcare, etc) which make them believe they're most closely aligned with one of the major political parties.
    Single-issue voters really piss me off. If you really have ONE litmus test issue on which you base your vote, you're a simpleton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Single-issue voters really piss me off. If you really have ONE litmus test issue on which you base your vote, you're a simpleton.
    Oh but doncha know the liberals are out to getcha? They controlz the media and plan on destroyin relgionz by taking away gunz and God, and lettin da gayz get married. I would never vote for Obama cuz his middle name is Hussein and that means he is a secret Muslim.

    Or you could go this route...

    Dem damn conservatives wants to go to war with everyone and da Bible thumpers wanna do away with separation of church and state. They also controlz all the evil corporations. I would never vote for McCain cuz he is just another Bush and he wants to go to war with Iraq for 100 years.

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