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    Default Why women shun IT?

    Is it because they have no interest?
    Is it because they have no talent?
    Or is it because they don't want to get felt up at conferences?

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    Nothing could have prepared me for the onslaught of bad behavior I experienced. Like the man who drunkenly tried to lick my shoulder tattoo. Like the man who grabbed my hips while I was waiting for a drink at the EFF party. Like the man who tried to get me to show him my tits so he could punch a hole in a card that, when filled, would net him a favor from one of the official security staff.
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    It is horrible that this happened.

    How do you propose to stop it from happening?

    Hackers aren't exactly known for following rules.

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    Because IT is boring and women know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    It is horrible that this happened.

    How do you propose to stop it from happening?

    Hackers aren't exactly known for following rules.

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    Maybe it's because many women are the more social sex and IT is not oriented around relationships/ other humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Maybe it's because many women are the more social sex and IT is not oriented around relationships/ other humans.
    Why are women the more social sex, because they have a vagina and tits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    IT is not oriented around relationships/ other humans.
    We can't all be nurses. False assumption, anyway. What do you think makes social-networking possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Maybe it's because many women are the more social sex and IT is not oriented around relationships/ other humans.
    I dunno. In my IT department, the men and women are probably more similar in overall personality (due to all of us being interested in and equipped to do that kind of work), but there's still a lot of room for socialization here, and some of the women like to host/throw parties... as do the men.

    I've never had any issues with sexism here, and rarely detect even underlying sexism in how men and women treat each other; but then again, I do work for the fed gov and so they weed out the worst offenders via the hiring process. I think I noticed more (still nothing overt, but there were some attitudes with SOME of the guys that seemed to view women as not QUITE the equivalent of men in IT) when I worked for a private contractor.
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    If you want to get angry about something, read the question this dude posted for Ask Slashdot:

    My team of about 10 men (IT guys) is expecting a new colleague: a female one. It is guaranteed that there will be remarks, double entendres and innuendos with huge potential of getting worse. We already have women in teams who can somehow handle this (and deliver apropriate verbal slaps). How would you deal with this? We talked about some simple, fun ways — anyone who [acts inappropriately] will have to wear an embarassing tie, etc. — instead of swear jar, having a sexual innuendo jar and even fairly harsh punishments (like people losing their bonuses for the month or their extra vaccation days). I'd like to figure out a solution that would be effective, not call much attention to itself, and not be quickly abandoned.

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    Why would that make me angry? I call that progressive. At least he acknowledges the problem and looks for a solution, unlike some places I've worked which pay lip service to gender equality, while tolerating, even endorsing, gross displays of sexism and bullying (which is fundamentally what it's all about).
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