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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Why would that make me angry? I call that progressive. At least he acknowledges the problem and looks for a solution, unlike some places I've worked which pay lip service to gender equality, while tolerating, even endorsing, gross displays of sexism and bullying (which is fundamentally what it's all about).
    Hmm, most companies here treat sexual harassment very seriously. Or at least they theoretically do by policy. You report it once and its verified, they get a written warning. Second time, they're gone. This treats it like some sort of a game for naughty 13 year old teenagers. Not grown men who are getting paid to do a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Why are women the more social sex, because they have a vagina and tits?
    You've turned your own argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Hmm, most companies here treat sexual harassment very seriously. Or at least they theoretically do by policy. You report it once and its verified, they get a written warning. Second time, they're gone. This treats it like some sort of a game for naughty 13 year old teenagers. Not grown men who are getting paid to do a job.
    But they are naughty 13 y/os.... At least emotionally.

    "theoretically" is key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Hmm, most companies here treat sexual harassment very seriously. Or at least they theoretically do by policy. You report it once and its verified, they get a written warning. Second time, they're gone. This treats it like some sort of a game for naughty 13 year old teenagers. Not grown men who are getting paid to do a job.
    that makes me kinda a little really angry...at least i'm angry for the people that have to take the harassment...as if it's an experiment of some sort to find out what punishment will make them stop or something...i find that really strange to let that go on.

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    If you where trying to make a point that's one thing, but as an explanation for the lack of women in IT it doesn't make much sense - yes it's crappy behavior but it isn't IT-exclusive behavior just the same crappy behavior of male-dominant bubble-environment, the same male dominant social bubbles with the same kind of crap that women had to deal with when going into any other industry, and for the most part, where quite able too.

    Further more, we'd have to consider here that unlike many other industries where women had to break through the, the majority of growth in the IT sector is recent enough that if there was no other reasons to explain why so few women get into IT, women would have being quite capable of taking an equal part of its founding and it would have never have become a male dominant industry to began with. Whatever reason women seem to be less common in IT, it would have to be there before the growth of the IT sector started.

    Interesting question, needs a better answer.

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    I was briefly in IT during college and it was creepy at best, and extremely uncomfortable at worst. I don't like a lot of attention and it was alarming at how many guys were trying to talk to me during class, or wanted to study with me at night. I ended up changing colleges more because of the atmosphere being annoying than my opinion on the subjects I was studying there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    If you where trying to make a point that's one thing, but as an explanation for the lack of women in IT it doesn't make much sense - yes it's crappy behavior but it isn't IT-exclusive behavior just the same crappy behavior of male-dominant bubble-environment, the same male dominant social bubbles with the same kind of crap that women had to deal with when going into any other industry, and for the most part, where quite able too.

    Further more, we'd have to consider here that unlike many other industries where women had to break through the, the majority of growth in the IT sector is recent enough that if there was no other reasons to explain why so few women get into IT, women would have being quite capable of taking an equal part of its founding and it would have never have become a male dominant industry to began with. Whatever reason women seem to be less common in IT, it would have to be there before the growth of the IT sector started.

    Interesting question, needs a better answer.
    I didn't offer any answers. I asked a number of questions. Read harder.

    Your argument is not valid for a number of reasons not least of which is that in its infancy there were probably more women working in IT (proportionally speaking) than there are now. The trend is declining representation.

    Only 25% of U.S. IT professionals in 2009 were women, down from 36% in 1991, according to the National Center for Women & IT. Further, only 18% of computer and information sciences degrees in 2008 were awarded to women, down from 37% in 1985.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Hmm, most companies here treat sexual harassment very seriously. Or at least they theoretically do by policy. You report it once and its verified, they get a written warning. Second time, they're gone. This treats it like some sort of a game for naughty 13 year old teenagers. Not grown men who are getting paid to do a job.
    Theoretically, this is how the army works. It doesn't stop the behavior though.. the groupthink actually makes it accelerate with every reported incident.
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    On DEFCON, the behavior might have something to do with their age. I grabbed a girls ass at a baseball game when I was 17. I haven't done it lately.

    There seem to be plenty of women in IT - just fewer of them than men. My theory has always been that fewer women are Ts and that's why there are less of them.

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