The older ones just patronise you and refuse to give you meaningful work. The younger ones either dismiss you or try to sabotage you, if they think you're a threat. Almost all of them exclude you, even the ones who then try to hit on you.
I had a meeting with my boss before I left the last company I worked at, where he told me that one of his guys had complained that he felt "intimidated" by me. Here's me, one of only 2 women surrounded by a bunch of burly, stinky, sexist, foul-mouthed blokes, and I'm the one who is "intimidating". Translation: he was worried I could do his job better than he could, and in fact, I could, (it really wasn't difficult since he was a major obstruction in the dept with what a female colleague described as "a Napoleon complex".) Instead of laughing this worm out of his office, he took his concerns seriously. He took seriously the fact that an older man with 16 yrs at the company, the self-declared "guru" of the dept, was so threatened by a younger woman, barely in the door, that he refused her the system access she needed to the job she was employed to do. It would be funny, were it not genuinely incapacitating.
I think this is a major misunderstanding that women suffer from (and men, who are given to be more confident in this field whether they have natural aptitude or not - just look at entropie - do not). I worked hard on my sister to get her into IT. She was good at the humanities but terrified of math. She had shitty teachers who undermined her confidence and told her she'd never amount to anything. She became a secretary. She was treated badly, sexually harassed and paid a pittance. Eventually she relented and took a job in IT support. She was still treated like crap, and sufffered discrimination, but the pay was slightly better. She continued not to believe in herself. I pushed her to push herself. She thought she couldn't compete with nerdy IT guys, now, she manages them, and she finally acknowledges what I've known all along - she's smarter than any of them.Personally, I didn't get into IT because I don't have the specific aptitudes it takes to excel in the field. I don't know if that's innate to my brain or if I could have had more mathematical/technical aptitude in a different cultural context. I guess there's no way to know. But as long as I can remember I've had trouble understanding math and spatial stuff, and no trouble at all understanding ELA-oriented stuff.
Time and again, what emerges is that women lack confidence to ask for more for themselves - they don't push themselves forward for promotion, they don't negotiate hard for starting salaries, and they don't ask for pay rises in anything like the same numbers that men do. Why is that? Do women 'naturally' lack confidence? Of course not. It's because they are told they don't deserve any better and that to be pushy is "manly" and unattractive. We really need to move past this bullshit already. :bang head: